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From: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, nix@esperi.org.uk, rob@landley.net,
	mmazur@kernel.pl, llh-discuss@lists.pld-linux.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/2] Create initial kernel ABI header	infrastructure
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:50:28 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <A6491D09-3BCF-4742-A367-DCE717898446@mac.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1143376351.3064.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

On Mar 26, 2006, at 07:32:31, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 06:54 -0500, Kyle Moffett wrote:
>> Create initial kernel ABI header infrastructure
>
> it's nice that you picked this one;
> for this you want an arch-generic/stddef32.h and stddef64.h
>
> and have arch-foo just only include the proper generic one..

I plan to add a lot of other definitions to this file later on.  For  
example different architectures have different notions of what a  
__kernel_ino_t is (unsigned int versus unsigned long).  I may rename  
this file as types.h, but from looking through the code I figure I'll  
have enough general purpose declarations about "This architecture has  
blah" that a separate stddef.h file will be worth it.

> (and... why do you prefix these with _KABI? that's a mistake imo.  
> Don't bother with that. Really. Either these need exporting to  
> userspace, but then either use __ as prefix or don't use a prefix.  
> But KABI.. No.)

According to the various standards all symbols beginning with __ are  
reserved for "The Implementation", including the compiler, the  
standard library, the kernel, etc.  In order to avoid clashing with  
any/all of those, I picked the __KABI_ and __kabi_ prefixes for  
uniqueness.  In theory I could just use __, but there are problems  
with that too.  For example, note how the current compiler.h files  
redefine __always_inline to mean something kinda different.  The GCC  
manual says we should be able to write this:

inline __attribute__((__always_inline)) int increment(int x)
{
	return x+1;
}

Except when compiling the kernel headers turn that into this (which  
obviously doesn't compile):
inline __attribute__((__attribute__((always_inline)))) int increment 
(int x)
{
	return x+1;
}

As a result, I kinda want to stay away from anything that remotely  
looks like a conflicting namespace.  Using such a unique namespace  
means we can also safely do this if necessary (Since you can't  
"typedef struct foo struct bar"):

kabi/foo.h:
   struct __kabi_foo {
   	int x;
   	int y;
   };

linux/foo.h:
   #define __kabi_foo foo
   #include <kabi/foo.h>

drivers/foo/foo.h:
   #include <linux/foo.h>
   void func()
   {
   	struct foo = { .x = 1, .y = 2 };
   }

Cheers,
Kyle Moffett


  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-26 12:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-14 15:19 [ANNOUNCE] linux-libc-headers dead Mariusz Mazur
2006-03-14 15:28 ` Ismail Donmez
2006-03-16  8:37 ` [llh-announce] " Nigel Kukard
2006-03-16 20:20   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-03-16 20:42     ` Dan Kegel
2006-03-17  7:56 ` DervishD
2006-03-23 17:11 ` State of userland headers Mariusz Mazur
2006-03-23 23:04   ` Rob Landley
2006-03-26 13:12     ` Mariusz Mazur
2006-03-26 20:59       ` Rob Landley
2006-03-24 18:51   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-24 21:23     ` Rob Landley
     [not found]       ` <878xqzpl8g.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix>
2006-03-24 22:46         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-24 23:01           ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-03-25  6:48             ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-28 20:17               ` Jim Gifford
2006-03-25  1:36           ` Jeff Dike
2006-03-25  6:33             ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-25 16:03               ` Jeff Dike
2006-03-25  3:19           ` Rob Landley
2006-03-25  6:27             ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 11:52           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/2] KABI example conversion and cleanup Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 11:54             ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] Create initial kernel ABI header infrastructure Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 12:32               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-26 12:50                 ` Kyle Moffett [this message]
2006-03-26 12:59                   ` Martin Mares
2006-03-26 13:14                     ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 15:38                       ` Martin Mares
2006-03-26 16:16                         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 14:39                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-26 15:23                     ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-29 22:26                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-02  0:22                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-04-02  2:42                       ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-02  3:01                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-02  5:53                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-02 13:09                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-02 10:32                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-02 11:16                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 20:05               ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-03-26 20:39                 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 21:26                   ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-03-27  0:27                     ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 11:55             ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] Generalize fd_set handling across architectures Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 12:06             ` [RFC][PATCH 0/2] KABI example conversion and cleanup Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 13:43               ` Nix
2006-03-26 12:26             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-26 12:30               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-26 12:34               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 13:22                 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2006-03-26 13:29                 ` Avi Kivity
2006-03-26 13:47                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 13:53                     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2006-03-26 14:30                       ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 14:45                         ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2006-03-26 17:24                     ` Avi Kivity
2006-03-26 17:29                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-26 17:57                         ` Avi Kivity
2006-03-26 18:32                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-26 21:18                           ` Rob Landley
2006-03-27  0:18                             ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-27  6:19                             ` Avi Kivity
2006-03-27 19:48                               ` Rob Landley
2006-03-28 20:04                                 ` Mariusz Mazur
2006-03-28 20:13                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-28 22:57                                   ` Rob Landley
2006-03-26 20:55                 ` Rob Landley
2006-03-27  0:12                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-26 14:31             ` Eric Piel
2006-03-26 21:09               ` Rob Landley
2006-03-26 23:06                 ` Eric Piel
2006-03-27  0:40                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-27  3:12                     ` Jeff Dike
2006-03-28 14:20                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-03-28 15:57                       ` [OT] Non-GCC compilers used for linux userspace Kyle Moffett
2006-03-28 16:13                         ` Eric Piel
2006-03-28 16:20                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-28 16:59                             ` Jason L Tibbitts III
2006-03-28 17:13                               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-03-28 17:28                                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-03-28 17:41                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-05 17:01                                 ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-28 17:08                             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-03-28 17:56                             ` Jesper Juhl
2006-03-28 21:47                             ` Rob Landley
2006-03-29 21:23                               ` Nix
2006-03-30  1:36                                 ` Rob Landley
2006-03-30  7:24                                   ` Nix
2006-03-30 20:26                                     ` Rob Landley
2006-03-30 22:02                                       ` Nix
2006-03-30 23:00                                         ` Harald Arnesen
2006-03-30 23:16                                         ` Rob Landley
2006-03-29 13:25                             ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2006-03-28 18:44                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29  4:26                         ` Peter Chubb
2006-03-30 15:15                         ` Roger Heflin
2006-03-28 17:16                       ` [RFC][PATCH 0/2] KABI example conversion and cleanup Ben Pfaff
2006-03-28 17:08                     ` Catalin Marinas
2006-03-31  0:20             ` Arch-specific header inconsistency (asm-*/termios.h) Kyle Moffett
2006-04-02 17:58             ` [RFC][PATCH 0/2] KABI example conversion and cleanup Sam Ravnborg
2006-04-02 19:30               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-02 20:47                 ` Arnd Bergmann

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