From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964928AbVHIUUk (ORCPT ); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:20:40 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964930AbVHIUUk (ORCPT ); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:20:40 -0400 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.85]:30715 "EHLO smtpout.mac.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964928AbVHIUUj (ORCPT ); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:20:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1123600593.7622.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050808211241.GA22446@clipper.ens.fr> <20050808223238.GA523@clipper.ens.fr> <20050809015048.GA14204@thunk.org> <1123600593.7622.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: James Morris , "Theodore Ts'o" , David Wagner , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kyle Moffett Subject: Re: understanding Linux capabilities brokenness Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:20:20 -0400 To: Christopher Warner X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Aug 9, 2005, at 11:16:33, Christopher Warner wrote: > In my observer pragmatic view; yes. On many occasion, i've come to CAP > calls only to be frustrated with the sheer disconnect of it all. It > simply doesn't work. If it means having to break posix conformance > for a > working implementation. Then so be it. > > On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 00:46 -0400, James Morris wrote: > >> Let me play the Devil's advocate here. >> >> Should we be thinking about deprecating and removing capabilities >> from >> Linux? One brief suggestion: A key/token interface was recently introduced that might be useful to allow a simple new inheritance model for "capabilities", "roles", "rootperms" or whatever other abstraction you create. Cheers, Kyle Moffett -- There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult. -- C.A.R. Hoare