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From: Prakash Sangappa <prakash.sangappa@oracle.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com" <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"bigeasy@linutronix.de" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	"kprateek.nayak@amd.com" <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 1/4] Sched: Scheduler time slice extension
Date: Mon, 5 May 2025 01:51:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <C3F85063-68B5-4C6D-B95F-27B72DBFA178@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250502090643.3809b6f5@batman.local.home>



> On May 2, 2025, at 6:06 AM, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2 May 2025 11:05:29 +0200
> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> 
>>> diff --git a/kernel/sched/syscalls.c b/kernel/sched/syscalls.c
>>> index cd38f4e9899d..1b2b64fe0fb1 100644
>>> --- a/kernel/sched/syscalls.c
>>> +++ b/kernel/sched/syscalls.c
>>> @@ -1378,6 +1378,11 @@ static void do_sched_yield(void)
>>>  */
>>> SYSCALL_DEFINE0(sched_yield)
>>> {
>>> + if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_RSEQ) && current->sched_time_delay) {
>>> + schedule();
>>> + return 0;
>>> + }
>>> +
>>> do_sched_yield();
>>> return 0;
>>> }  
>> 
>> Multiple people, very much including Linus, have already said this
>> 'cute' hack isn't going to fly. Why is it still here?
> 
> Who was against this?
> 
> Linus objected to "optimizing yield" because it has *semantics* that
> people depend on because it has historical meaning. Things like "move
> the process to the end of the scheduling queue of that priority".
> 
>  https://lore.kernel.org/linux-trace-kernel/CAHk-=wgTWVF6+dKPff-mhVwngFwBu_G9+fwOTF2Ds+YPj3xkeQ@mail.gmail.com/
> 
> I countered that this "optimization" would only affect those that use
> the extended time slice and would not cause any issues with current
> applications that depend on its current semantics.

Still wouldn’t  that affect performance of the application using the extended time slice optimization?
A sched_yield()  could end up in do_sched_yield(), if ‘shed_time_delay' is not set as the thread had been rescheduled.

> 
> Linus never replied to that.
> 
> Or did Linus reply to this someplace else too that I missed?
> 
> If we don't do this, what would be the system call to use to tell the
> kernel that the task no longer needs extra time?

Yes, need a system call to recommend. 

> 
> -- Steve


  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-05  1:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-02  1:59 [PATCH V3 0/4] " Prakash Sangappa
2025-05-02  1:59 ` [PATCH V3 1/4] Sched: " Prakash Sangappa
2025-05-02  9:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-02 13:06     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-05-05  1:51       ` Prakash Sangappa [this message]
2025-05-05 14:48         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-05-05 15:58           ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-05-05 16:34             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-05-05 16:45               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-05-06  1:23               ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-05-06 13:13                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-05-02 15:39     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-05-05  1:46       ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-05-05  1:42     ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-05-02 12:34   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-05-02 14:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-02 15:27       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-05-02  1:59 ` [PATCH V3 2/4] Sched: Tunable to specify duration of " Prakash Sangappa
2025-05-02  1:59 ` [PATCH V3 3/4] Sched: Add scheduler stat for cpu " Prakash Sangappa
2025-05-02  1:59 ` [PATCH V3 4/4] Sched: Add tracepoint for sched " Prakash Sangappa
2025-05-02  9:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-02 11:02     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-05-02 11:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-02 12:31         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-05-05  1:43     ` Prakash Sangappa

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