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From: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
To: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
Cc: tarunsahu@google.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	joro@8bytes.org,  Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] liveupdate: Replace compatibility string with a 2-bit pair feature header
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2026 14:50:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+CK2bAQRMAEXZyHTEuUN0_Fo59Sn0hBmYbme_J9ewjx6gPyJQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALzav=dLdJoVy=B1pv0FAurD9OhAzLSTjJNbtjTdJRmSqaB0yw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2026 at 2:47 PM David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2026 at 11:40 AM <tarunsahu@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com> writes:
> >
> > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2026 at 11:25 AM Tarun Sahu <tarunsahu@google.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> LUO and its file handlers validate handed-over state with monolithic
> > >> compatibility strings ("luo-v5", "memfd-v2"). Any change to a serialized
> > >> structure, even an optional additive one, must bump the string, which
> > >> breaks live update between adjacent kernels. Replace the string in
> > >> struct luo_ser with a feature header, so that the target kernel can
> > >> accept or reject the source kernel state per feature.
> > >>
> > >> struct luo_feature_hdr is a fixed 128-byte header: the serialized
> > >
> > > This patch is all wrong; 128 bytes is far too large. For every _ser
> > > struct, we only need 8 bytes instead.
> >
> > NOO, It is not. It is intended to avoid complex mess with unnecessary
> > over-engineering.

128-byte per serialized struct is not starter.

> >
> > >
> > > The first 4 bytes are the size, and the next 4 bytes are flags (i.e.,
> > > 30 feature flags + 2 reserved bits for flags extension). The last two
> > > bits of the flags indicate whether an extended flags field is present.
> > > Each extended flags field is 8 bytes, and its last two bits indicate
> > > that yet another extended flags field follows.
> >
> > If we will have dynamic extension of flags, Think about this.
>
> To support dynamic extensions in a backward compatible way you want
> something like this:
>
> struct luo_feature_hdr {
>    size
>    flags

__u32 size
__u32 flags

>    extensions  // offset of first luo_feature_extensions (or 0)

__u64 extensions[0]  --> but the size should be specificed in
declaration macro that I showed in the next patch.

> }
>
> struct luo_feature_extentions {
>     flags
>     extensions // offset of next luo_feature_extensions (or 0)
> }
>
> And then an example serialization struct would be:
>
> struct foo_ser {
>     struct luo_feature_hdr header;
>     ... fields ...
>     struct luo_feature_extension extensions1;
>     ... fields ...
>     struct luo_feature_extension extensions2;
> }

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-21 18:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-21 15:25 [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] liveupdate: Feature header ABI and named handler Tarun Sahu
2026-10-21 15:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] liveupdate: Rename handler compatible to name Tarun Sahu
2026-10-21 17:11   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-21 18:16     ` tarunsahu
2026-10-21 19:11       ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-21 19:35         ` tarunsahu
2026-10-21 15:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] liveupdate: Select file handler by name in the preserve ioctl Tarun Sahu
2026-10-21 17:17   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-21 23:02     ` David Matlack
2026-10-21 15:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] liveupdate: Replace compatibility string with a 2-bit pair feature header Tarun Sahu
2026-10-21 17:27   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-21 17:40     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 17:55       ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-10-21 18:40     ` tarunsahu
2026-10-21 18:46       ` David Matlack
2026-10-21 18:50         ` Pasha Tatashin [this message]
2026-10-21 15:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] mm: memfd_luo: Add the " Tarun Sahu
2026-10-21 17:38   ` Pasha Tatashin

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