From: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
To: Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
tj@kernel.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org, shakeel.butt@linux.dev,
mhocko@kernel.org, mkoutny@suse.com, chengming.zhou@linux.dev,
muchun.song@linux.dev, roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Hao Jia <jiahao1@lixiang.com>,
stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm/zswap: Fix global shrinker when memory cgroup is disabled
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2026 11:18:44 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKEwX=Ob9shetuJK4y=NZods3KkT=U_3W4S_ALzxX3EDLomWEA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7b35fd4e-7662-10ae-159b-303350e4e59c@gmail.com>
On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 7:21 PM Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 2026/7/16 00:13, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 5:31 AM Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2026/7/15 10:31, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 14 Jul 2026 09:52:59 -0700 Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> When memory cgroup is disabled, mem_cgroup_iter() always returns NULL.
> >>>>> Therefore, the global shrinker shrink_worker() always takes the !memcg
> >>>>> branch. After MAX_RECLAIM_RETRIES empty walks, the worker simply gives up,
> >>>>> so it fails to write back anything.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Therefore, when memory cgroup is disabled, fall through with the !memcg
> >>>>> branch and shrink the root memcg directly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With memcg disabled, shrink_memcg() only returns -ENOENT when the root
> >>>>> LRU is empty, which means the total pages are already below thr. The
> >>>>> loop then safely bails out via the zswap_total_pages() <= thr check.
> >>>>> For any other return value from shrink_memcg(), the loop is guaranteed
> >>>>> to terminate, either after MAX_RECLAIM_RETRIES failures or once the
> >>>>> threshold is met.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fixes: a65b0e7607cc ("zswap: make shrinking memcg-aware")
> >>>>> Cc: stable@vger.kernel.org
> >>>>> Suggested-by: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
> >>>>> Acked-by: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
> >>>>> Acked-by: Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>
> >>>>> Reported-by: Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>
> >>>>> Closes: https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAO9r8zPVzMKFbCixxD-qgtRrkFxWVrHiZZeLc=eyTPKPVQgX4g@mail.gmail.com
> >>>>> Signed-off-by: Hao Jia <jiahao1@lixiang.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> Patch 2 doesn't really depend on this one, right?
> >>>>
> >>>> If that's the case I think this can (and should be) picked up
> >>>> separately as a hotfix. Andrew, WDYT?
> >>>
> >>> Please update the changelog to clearly describe the userspace-visible
> >>> effects of the bug, thanks.
> >>
> >> I am not entirely sure if my understanding is correct here, but maybe I
> >> should add something like this to the commit message?
> >>
> >> When cgroup_disable=memory is used (or with CONFIG_MEMCG=n), the global
> >> shrinker fails to write back any pages. Consequently, the zswap pool
> >> fills up to its limit and rejects further storage, preventing memory
> >> pressure from being offloaded to the backing swap device.
> >
> > I think you can simply write that zswap writeback when the limit is
> > hit is broken when memcg is disabled.
> Will do. Thanks!
>
> >
> >>
> >>> Also, AI review has flagged several possible issues, all appear to be
> >>> serious:
> >>> https://sashiko.dev/#/patchset/20260714081510.16895-1-jiahao.kernel@gmail.com
> >>
> >> For AI review comments on this patch:
> >> I suspect this scenario might only exist in theory. For zswap LRU to be
> >> empty while zswap_total_pages() > thr holds true, it would require a
> >> prolonged state where there are always more than thr zswap entries on
> >> the zswap LRU whenever zswap_total_pages() > thr is evaluated, yet the
> >> zswap LRU happens to be empty during shrink_memcg(root_memcg).
> >>
> >> If we want to fix this, perhaps we could do something like this?
> >>
> >> Yosry, Nhat, what are your thoughts on this?
> >
> > Do we need to do this? The last paragraph in your changelog explains
> > why this can't happen because zswap_total_pages() should be 0 in this
> > case. Did I miss something?
>
> The loop would require the following sequence to repeat indefinitely:
>
> 1、zswap_total_pages() > thr evaluates to true.
> 2、During shrink_memcg(root_memcg), the zswap LRU is concurrently drained
> to empty.
> 3、Before zswap_total_pages() > thr is evaluated again, the zswap LRU is
> heavily refilled such that zswap_total_pages() > thr holds true once more.
>
> For our case to manifest, it would require zswap_total_pages() and the
> zswap LRU state to repeatedly hit this exact window with perfect
> alignment over a **prolonged period**. Therefore, I suspect this
> scenario might only exist in theory.
Yeah seems very artificial indeed.
If we want to be extra careful here, maybe we can put a cond_resched()
there or replace the continue with goto resched or sth?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-16 18:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-14 8:15 [PATCH 0/2] mm/zswap: Fixes and improves the zswap global shrinker Hao Jia
2026-07-14 8:15 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm/zswap: Fix global shrinker when memory cgroup is disabled Hao Jia
2026-07-14 16:52 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-15 2:31 ` Andrew Morton
2026-07-15 12:30 ` Hao Jia
2026-07-15 16:13 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-16 2:21 ` Hao Jia
2026-07-16 18:18 ` Nhat Pham [this message]
2026-07-17 0:08 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-17 8:46 ` Hao Jia
2026-07-14 8:15 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm/zswap: Support batch writeback in shrink_memcg() Hao Jia
2026-07-14 16:52 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-15 11:28 ` Hao Jia
2026-07-15 16:14 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-16 2:54 ` Hao Jia
2026-07-16 18:04 ` Nhat Pham
2026-07-17 8:29 ` Hao Jia
2026-07-16 20:35 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-17 16:50 ` Nhat Pham
2026-07-17 16:55 ` Yosry Ahmed
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