From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:27:09 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:26:59 -0400 Received: from mail.myrio.com ([63.109.146.2]:34547 "EHLO mailx.myrio.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:26:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: Torrey Hoffman To: "'Daniel Stone'" , Christoph Zens Cc: chuckw@altaserv.net, Aaron Lehmann , Vipin Malik , David Woodhouse , jffs-dev@axis.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: RE: Cosmetic JFFS patch. Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:26:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org (cc's trimmed a little.) As someone who actually has created an embedded Linux distribution for a set top box, I can say that the boot output has never been a problem for me. I like verbose output, it's useful. Developers probably know that once you have the system booting nicely and you've quit messing with the kernel, you can put APPEND = "console=/dev/tty2 CONSOLE=/dev/tty2" in lilo.conf. With framebuffer support and a custom, full screen boot logo, the graphics appear immediately after the kernel starts, and no text ever appears on screen. After init gets going, you can continue to dump text output to tty2 while you display pretty pictures in the framebuffer or start X. So, I can't see verbose text output being a problem for anyone developing for embedded systems... that memory is all freed after boot anyway. So here's a real copyright / trademark / GPL question: Suppose some embedded Linux system developer wants to put their trademarked, copyrighted logo on the screen during the boot. So they compile it into the linux_logo.h image. It's now under the GPL, of course... what does that do to the legal status of the logo? Incidentally, the copyright and other messages have never bothered me. I figure if some company is going to do me the favor of sponsoring development of software I can use for free, I really don't mind being reminded of it. MP3.com definitely scores karma points with me for sponsoring Reiser, for instance. Torrey Hoffman