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From: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>
To: "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"David Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>,
	"Simona Vetter" <simona@ffwll.ch>,
	"Maarten Lankhorst" <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	"Maxime Ripard" <mripard@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	"John Hubbard" <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"Alistair Popple" <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	"Joel Fernandes" <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	"Timur Tabi" <ttabi@nvidia.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/8] gpu: nova-core: firmware: process and prepare the GSP firmware
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2025 20:16:41 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DCEVAXNB3EL9.YFTIP5RQCTUW@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5338bd30-f3ed-42c7-af0e-77c3ef7d675d@kernel.org>

On Thu Aug 28, 2025 at 8:27 PM JST, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On 8/26/25 6:07 AM, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
>>   /// Structure encapsulating the firmware blobs required for the GPU to operate.
>>   #[expect(dead_code)]
>>   pub(crate) struct Firmware {
>> @@ -36,7 +123,10 @@ pub(crate) struct Firmware {
>>       booter_unloader: BooterFirmware,
>>       /// GSP bootloader, verifies the GSP firmware before loading and running it.
>>       gsp_bootloader: RiscvFirmware,
>> -    gsp: firmware::Firmware,
>> +    /// GSP firmware.
>> +    gsp: Pin<KBox<GspFirmware>>,
>
> Is there a reason why we don't just propagate it through struct Gpu, which uses 
> pin-init already?
>
> You can make Firmware pin_data too and then everything is within the single 
> allocation of struct Gpu.

I tried doing that at first, and hit the problem that the `impl PinInit`
returned by `GspFirmware::new` borrows a reference to the GSP firmware
binary loaded by `Firmware::new` - when `Firmware::new` returns, the
firmware gets freed, and the borrow checker complains.

We could move the GSP firmware loading code into the `pin_init!` of
`Firmware::new`, but now we hit another problem: in `Gpu::new` the
following code is executed:

    FbLayout::new(chipset, bar, &fw.gsp_bootloader, &fw.gsp)?

which requires the `Firmware` instance, which doesn't exist yet as the
`Gpu` object isn't initialized until the end of the method.

So we could move `FbLayout`, and everything else created by `Gpu::new`
to become members of the `Gpu` instance. It does make sense actually:
this `new` method is doing a lot of stuff, such as running FRTS, and
with Alistair's series it even runs Booter, the sequencer and so on.
Maybe we should move all firmware execution to a separate method that is
called by `probe` after the `Gpu` is constructed, as right now the `Gpu`
constructor looks like it does a bit more than it should.

... but even when doing that, `Firmware::new` and `FbLayout::new` still
require a reference to the `Bar`, and... you get the idea. :)

So I don't think the current design allows us to do that easily or at
all, and even if it does, it will be at a significant cost in code
clarity. There is also the fact that I am considering making the
firmware member of `Gpu` a trait object: the boot sequence is so
different between pre and post-Hopper that I don't think it makes sense
to share the same `Firmware` structure between the two. I would rather
see `Firmware` as an opaque trait object, which provides high-level
methods such as "start GSP" behind which the specifics of each GPU
family are hidden. If we go with this design, `Firmware` will become a
trait object and so cannot be pinned into `Gpu`.

This doesn't change my observation that `Gpu::new` should not IMHO do
steps like booting the GSP - it should just acquire the resources it
needs, return the pinned GPU object, and then `probe` can continue the
boot sequence. Having the GPU object pinned and constructed early
simplifies things quite a bit as the more we progress with boot, the
harder it becomes to construct everything in place (and the `PinInit`
closure also becomes more and more complex).

I'm still laying down the general design, but I'm pretty convinced that
having `Firmware` as a trait object is the right way to abstract the
differences between GPU families.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-29 11:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-26  4:07 [PATCH v2 0/8] gpu: nova-core: process and prepare more firmwares to boot GSP Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-26  4:07 ` [PATCH v2 1/8] rust: transmute: add `from_bytes_copy` method to `FromBytes` trait Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-26  6:50   ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-27  0:51   ` John Hubbard
2025-08-28  7:05     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-28 11:26   ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-28 11:45     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-29  1:51       ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-26  4:07 ` [PATCH v2 2/8] gpu: nova-core: firmware: add support for common firmware header Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-27  1:34   ` John Hubbard
2025-08-27  8:47     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-27 21:50       ` John Hubbard
2025-08-28  7:08         ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-29  0:21           ` John Hubbard
2025-08-28 11:26       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-09-10  5:44         ` Implicit panics (was: [PATCH v2 2/8] gpu: nova-core: firmware: add support for common firmware header) Alexandre Courbot
2025-09-10 10:00           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-09-10 13:54             ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-09-10 20:57               ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-09-10 21:36               ` Implicit panics John Hubbard
2025-08-26  4:07 ` [PATCH v2 3/8] gpu: nova-core: firmware: process Booter and patch its signature Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-27  2:29   ` John Hubbard
2025-08-28  7:19     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-29  0:26       ` John Hubbard
2025-08-28 20:58   ` Timur Tabi
2025-08-26  4:07 ` [PATCH v2 4/8] gpu: nova-core: firmware: process the GSP bootloader Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-28  3:09   ` John Hubbard
2025-08-26  4:07 ` [PATCH v2 5/8] gpu: nova-core: firmware: process and prepare the GSP firmware Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-28  4:01   ` John Hubbard
2025-08-28 11:13     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-29  0:27       ` John Hubbard
2025-08-28 11:27   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-29 11:16     ` Alexandre Courbot [this message]
2025-08-30 12:56       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-09-01  7:11         ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-26  4:07 ` [PATCH v2 6/8] gpu: nova-core: firmware: use 570.144 firmware Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-28  4:07   ` John Hubbard
2025-08-26  4:07 ` [PATCH v2 7/8] gpu: nova-core: Add base files for r570.144 firmware bindings Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-28  4:08   ` John Hubbard
2025-08-26  4:07 ` [PATCH v2 8/8] gpu: nova-core: compute layout of more framebuffer regions required for GSP Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-29 23:30   ` John Hubbard
2025-08-30  0:59     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-30  5:46       ` John Hubbard
2025-08-27  0:29 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] gpu: nova-core: process and prepare more firmwares to boot GSP John Hubbard
2025-08-27  8:39   ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-27 21:56     ` John Hubbard
2025-08-28 20:44       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-08-29  0:33         ` John Hubbard

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