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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: imel96@trustix.co.id
Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox),
	viro@math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro),
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Single user linux
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:30:32 +0100 (BST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E14s3pr-0002B3-00@the-village.bc.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104242105490.16290-100000@tessy.trustix.co.id> from "imel96@trustix.co.id" at Apr 24, 2001 09:10:27 PM

> > Even my digital tv box has multiple users. The fact you cannot figure out how
> > to make your UI present that to the end user in a suitable manner is not
> > the kernels problem. Get a real UI designer
> 
> if it's useful, it's okay. if not, what is it doing there?

For one it allowing you to build enough of a security model to prevent your
phone user from deleting critical system files by accident. Something 
incredibly basic that I cannot believe anyone could overlook

Take a look why my Digital TV has multiple users


	-	It can charge pay per view films to multiple accounts
		(think about multiple SIM cards)

	-	It remembers personal barriers (so I can require
		passwords to watch adult rated films for example)
		(For a phone think about call barring - set the phone user
		 and loan it for calls home only to children)

	-	It remembers preferences. (Currently only useful for junk
		sky interactive stuff like email)
		(think about multiple email accounts)

And it has a perfectly sane UI for all of this. In fact most people have 
probably never realised their set top box even has the concept of users in it
because they've never set more than one up.

Another reason your device needs good security models is that if I can't store
digital credit card data safely on it, its a dead product line soon. If it
can't do internet its an ex product.

How do you plan to do internet without a security model in your OS. How are you
going to protect credit card data from web browser bugs. How are you going to
protect that data from sms parsing bugs ?

How do you plan to deal with synchronizing data between multiple systems when
you have no user model ?

The questions you should be asking are not 'Why do I need a security model' they
are 'Is the model provided good enough'.

Alan


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-04-24 14:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103181407520.1426-100000@mikeg.weiden.de>
2001-03-18 14:43 ` changing mm->mmap_sem (was: Re: system call for process information?) Rik van Riel
2001-03-18 18:13   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-24 11:44     ` [PATCH] Single user linux imel96
2001-04-24 12:04       ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 12:44         ` imel96
2001-04-24 12:58           ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-24 13:27             ` imel96
2001-04-24 13:38               ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-24 14:04                 ` problem found (was Re: [PATCH] Single user linux) imel96
2001-04-24 14:06                   ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-24 14:47                   ` Xavier Bestel
2001-04-25 18:13                   ` Paul Jakma
2001-04-25  0:01                 ` [PATCH] Single user linux Aaron Lehmann
2001-04-25  0:07                   ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  0:16                     ` Alan Cox
2001-04-25  0:34                       ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  0:52                         ` Gerhard Mack
2001-04-25  7:46                           ` Ronald Bultje
2001-04-25 14:17                             ` Disconnect
2001-04-27 20:06                               ` Jim Gettys
2001-04-26 19:41                           ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-27 19:00                             ` Erik Mouw
2001-04-27 13:12                         ` Robert Varga
2001-04-27 12:42                           ` [OT] linux on pda was " Collectively Unconscious
2001-04-27 19:05                             ` Erik Mouw
2001-04-27 13:34                           ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  0:20                     ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-04-25  0:32                       ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  0:35                         ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-04-25  0:43                           ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25  7:45                         ` Alan Cox
2001-04-25  7:55                           ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-25 15:07                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-04-25 14:42                         ` Jordan Crouse
2001-04-26 19:47                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-25  1:12                       ` Disconnect
2001-04-25  7:04                   ` Mike A. Harris
2001-04-25  0:26                 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-04-25  7:13                   ` Mike A. Harris
2001-04-26 19:54                     ` agenda & vtech helio [was Re: [PATCH] Single user linux] Pavel Machek
2001-04-26 19:35                 ` [PATCH] Single user linux Pavel Machek
2001-04-27 14:26                   ` Daniel Stone
2001-04-24 13:40               ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-25  5:29               ` Ben Ford
2001-04-24 12:59           ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 13:02           ` Sean Hunter
2001-04-24 13:03           ` Roland Seuhs
2001-04-24 13:50             ` Mike A. Harris
2001-04-24 13:13           ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-04-24 13:37             ` imel96
2001-04-25  7:57               ` Helge Hafting
2001-04-25 10:42               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-04-24 14:03           ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 14:10             ` imel96
2001-04-24 14:27               ` Mike A. Harris
2001-04-24 14:30               ` Alan Cox [this message]
2001-04-24 15:07             ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-04-24 17:43           ` Russell King
2001-04-24 18:37           ` Garett Spencley
2001-04-24 12:51       ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-24 13:07         ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 12:52       ` [OFFTOPIC] " Mike A. Harris
2001-04-24 13:18         ` Tomas Telensky
2001-04-24 13:34           ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-24 13:40             ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 14:18               ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 14:22                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 14:37                   ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 14:41                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 14:47                     ` CaT
2001-04-24 14:59                       ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 15:11                         ` CaT
2001-04-24 15:53                           ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 16:04                             ` Alex Riesen
2001-04-24 17:02                             ` Jesse Pollard
2001-04-24 17:16                               ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 17:30                             ` Markus Schaber
2001-04-24 14:30                 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-04-24 14:49                   ` Pjotr Kourzanoff
2001-04-24 14:56                     ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-04-24 14:59                     ` CaT
2001-04-24 15:17                       ` Pjotr Kourzanoff
2001-04-24 14:50                 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-04-24 15:00                   ` Alan Cox
2001-04-24 13:37           ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 13:52             ` Tomas Telensky
2001-04-24 14:07               ` Alexander Viro
2001-04-24 19:03           ` David Gómez 
2001-04-25  5:26           ` Ben Ford
2001-04-24 17:55       ` J Sloan
2001-04-24 17:06     ` Stephen Satchell
2001-04-24 16:55 Torrey Hoffman
     [not found] <988158045.12859@whiskey.enposte.net>
2001-04-25  0:48 ` Stuart Lynne
2001-04-25 12:04 imel96
2001-04-25 13:00 ` Leonid Mamtchenkov
2001-04-25 13:07 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-04-25 21:30   ` John Cavan
2001-04-26 12:11     ` imel96
2001-04-26 12:24       ` David Weinehall
2001-04-26 12:36         ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-26 12:33       ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-26 12:34       ` Rasmus Bøg Hansen
2001-04-26 14:03         ` imel96
2001-04-26 17:00           ` Ken Brownfield
2001-04-26 17:22             ` Ian Stirling
2001-04-26 19:40               ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-26 20:18                 ` Ian Stirling
2001-04-26 20:47           ` Rasmus Bøg Hansen
2001-04-27  7:08           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-04-26 17:16         ` Stephen Satchell
2001-04-26 18:11       ` John Cavan
2001-04-27  9:30         ` imel96
2001-04-25 13:41 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-26  9:46 ` Helge Hafting
2001-04-26 11:31   ` imel96
2001-04-26 13:47     ` Ronald Bultje
2001-04-27  9:31     ` Helge Hafting
2001-04-27 13:45       ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-04-25 18:34 Rick Hohensee
2001-04-25 20:12 ` Markus Schaber
2001-04-25 20:58 Jesse Pollard

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