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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Mikael Pettersson <mikpe@csd.uu.se>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.21 Nonlinear CPU support
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:42:13 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E17IKYw-00032x-00@wagner.rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:10:48 +0200." <15623.18520.760673.208158@kim.it.uu.se>

In message <15623.18520.760673.208158@kim.it.uu.se> you write:
> This means keeping a logical->physical map and iterating like this:
> 
>      for(i = 0; i < nr_online_cpus; ++i)
> 	   do_something_with(cpu_logical_map(i));
>
> (I care because my performance-monitoring counters driver by necessity
> is closely tied to CPU identities and the set of online CPUs.)

I disagreed, so I measured, and you are right 8(  I hate that.

Simply reading the performance monitors across all CPUs is a case
where the extra loop overhead is significant (although cache effects
may still dominate): 9 times slower on PPC if there are only 2 CPUs
and NR_CPUS is 32.

I'd definitely prefer a per-arch for_each_cpu() implementation to
exposing a mapping, eg:

	/* No hotplug cpus on this arch. */
	extern int max_cpu_num;
	#define for_each_cpu(__i) for (__i = 0; __i < max_cpu_num; __i++)

OR
	extern int cpu_next_map[NR_CPUS];
	#define for_each_cpu(__i) \
		for (__i = 0; __i < NR_CPUS; __i = cpu_next_map[__i])

[ Soapbox mode: cut here ]

My philosophy is that parts of infrastructure which is not used by >
90% of people tends to get misused.  Two recent concrete examples:

	cpu_logical_map() is currently a noop on x86
		=> Ingo fucked it up in his initial scheduler impl.
	copy_from_user() returns POSTIVE on failure
		=> 7% of uses of copy_from_user were buggy in 2.5.19.

My feeling is that kernel coding is becoming more challenging (SMP,
preemption, portability), and our bug count and time-to-kernel-mastery
is climbing as a result.  One method of countering this is by
carefully designing infrastructure to make the simplest method for
writing common operations also the correct one.

Sometimes old-timers don't see infrastructure they are used to as a
problem, but even they make mistakes.

Rusty.
--
  Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell.

  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-13  2:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-11  7:08 Rusty Russell
2002-06-11  7:42 ` Andrew Morton
2002-06-11  9:09   ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-11  9:10     ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12  6:58       ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-12  9:26         ` David S. Miller
2002-06-13  5:01           ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-13  5:55             ` David S. Miller
2002-06-11  9:27     ` Andrew Morton
2002-06-11 11:22       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-06-12  5:57         ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-12  7:54           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-06-12  8:06             ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-12  8:25               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-06-12 19:32                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-12 13:10               ` Mikael Pettersson
2002-06-13  2:42                 ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2002-06-12  0:53       ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-12  8:36       ` Helge Hafting
2002-06-11 10:57   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-06-11 17:59     ` Robert Love
2002-06-12  4:11       ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-11 19:29     ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-06-11 14:54       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-06-12 19:32         ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-06-12 15:08           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-06-12 17:36             ` Andreas Dilger
2002-06-12 18:34               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-06-12 19:39                 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-06-12 20:41                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-06-12 21:03                     ` Andreas Dilger
2002-06-12 21:15                       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-06-12 20:03                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-06-12 20:54                   ` Robert Love
2002-06-12 20:57                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-06-12 22:21                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-06-13  1:33                       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-06-13  1:38                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-06-13  1:45                           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-06-13  2:13                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-06-13  2:21                               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-06-13  8:43                             ` Helge Hafting
2002-06-11 18:01       ` Robert Love
2002-06-12  7:57 ` Alan Cox
2002-06-12  8:01   ` Rusty Russell
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0206121226550.1533-100000@penguin.transmeta. com>
2002-06-12 21:29 ` Anton Altaparmakov

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