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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: Rick Lindsley <ricklind@us.ibm.com>, Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
	Thunder from the hill <thunder@ngforever.de>,
	kernel-janitor-discuss 
	<kernel-janitor-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: BKL removal
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:24:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E17SPsV-00028p-00@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200207102128.g6ALS2416185@eng4.beaverton.ibm.com>

On Wednesday 10 July 2002 23:28, Rick Lindsley wrote:
> So threading is difficult to manage or even impossible without a global
> lock for everyone to use? True -- I suppose that would force people to
> think about what they are locking and which lock is appropriate to avoid
> unnecessary contention.  It would require that the new locks' scopes and
> assumptions be documented instead of handed down verbally from 
> teacher to student.

Hear hear!  Well, Al at least has made a pretty good attempt to do that
for VFS locks.  The rest of the kernel is pretty much a disaster.  If
we're lucky, we find the odd comment here and there: 'must be called
holding such-and-such lock', and on a good day the comment is even
correct.  Which reminds me of a janitorial idea I discussed briefly with
Acme, which is to replace all those above-the-function lock coverage
comments with assert-like thingies:

   spin_assert(&pagemap_lru_lock);

And everbody knows what that does: when compiled with no spinlock
debugging it does nothing, but with spinlock debugging enabled, it oopses
unless pagemap_lru_lock is held at that point in the code.  The practical
effect of this is that lots of 3 line comments get replaced with a
one line assert that actually does something useful.  That is, besides
documenting the lock coverage, this thing will actually check to see if
you're telling the truth, if you ask it to.

Oh, and they will stay up to date much better than the comments do,
because nobody needs to to be an ueber-hacker to turn on the option and
post any resulting oopses to lkml.

> It would have the side effect of making it easier
> for a newcomer to come up to speed on a particular section of code, thus
> allowing a greater number of people to understand the code and offer fixes
> or enhancements.

Yup, and double-yup.

-- 
Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-10 22:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0207061306440.8346-100000@imladris.surriel.com>
     [not found] ` <3D27390E.5060208@us.ibm.com>
2002-07-07 20:55   ` Greg KH
2002-07-07 21:28     ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 21:58       ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 22:38         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 21:35     ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 21:55       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-07 22:42         ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 23:07           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-07 23:23             ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 23:34               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-07 23:42                 ` Sean Neakums
2002-07-07 23:31             ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 23:45               ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08  2:34                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-08  2:52                   ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08  3:06                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-08 12:33                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-08 14:53                         ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08 12:29                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-08  2:58                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-08  3:06                     ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08 12:15                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-08  6:34                 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 23:23           ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-07 23:31             ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-07 23:51           ` Greg KH
2002-07-08  0:07             ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-08  2:12               ` Greg KH
2002-07-09  1:46                 ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-09  4:38                   ` Greg KH
2002-07-09 19:31                     ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-09 20:17                       ` Greg KH
2002-07-09 20:55                         ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-09 21:00                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-09 21:12                             ` Robert Love
2002-07-09 14:19                               ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-09 21:29                                 ` Robert Love
2002-07-09 14:44                                   ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-09 21:47                                     ` Robert Love
2002-07-10  1:15                                       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-07-10  3:27                                         ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-09 20:49                                           ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-10  5:30                                             ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-10 10:28                                               ` Sandy Harris
2002-07-18  0:30                                     ` David Wagner
2002-07-18  1:03                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-09 21:59                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-09 22:21                               ` Alan Cox
2002-07-10 13:31                                 ` jlnance
2002-07-10 14:17                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 20:53                                     ` Alexander Hoogerhuis
2002-07-15 22:07                                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-15 22:25                                         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-09 19:33                     ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-09 20:12                       ` Greg KH
2002-07-09  4:49                   ` Drew P. Vogel
2002-07-09  5:25                     ` Dave Hansen
2002-07-09  5:21                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-09  7:59                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-07-10 10:03                     ` Marco Colombo
2002-07-10 14:40                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2002-07-10 16:46                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-11  9:57                           ` Marco Colombo
2002-07-10 21:28                     ` Rick Lindsley
2002-07-10 22:24                       ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-07-10 23:36                         ` spinlock assertion macros Jesse Barnes
2002-07-11  0:54                           ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-11  1:10                             ` Jesse Barnes
2002-07-11  5:31                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-11  7:19                             ` george anzinger
2002-07-11 16:35                             ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-07-11 23:52                               ` Sandy Harris
2002-07-12  0:56                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-12  3:22                                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-07-11 18:03                             ` Jesse Barnes
2002-07-11 19:17                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-12 12:07                                 ` Dave Jones
2002-07-12 12:55                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-12 19:24                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-07-12 17:42                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-17  2:22                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2002-07-17  6:34                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-18 23:36                                             ` [PATCH] spinlock assertion macros for 2.5.26 Jesse Barnes
2002-07-17 11:09                                           ` spinlock assertion macros Arnd Bergmann
2002-07-12 20:41                                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-07-13  3:21                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-12 17:49                                   ` Robert Love
2002-07-12 17:58                                     ` Dave Jones
2002-07-11 10:51                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2002-07-07 22:24       ` BKL removal Greg KH
2002-07-08  0:56         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-07-10  0:30     ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] <0C01A29FBAE24448A792F5C68F5EA47D2B0C8A@nasdaq.ms.ensim.com>
2002-07-08 19:00 ` pmenage
2002-07-08 21:45   ` Oliver Neukum
2002-07-10  7:32 dan carpenter

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