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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, wli@holomorphy.com,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Rmap speedup
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:51:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E17cXlz-0004y0-00@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D518451.812ED63F@zip.com.au>

On Wednesday 07 August 2002 22:34, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Daniel Phillips wrote:
> > 
> > On Wednesday 07 August 2002 21:40, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > Daniel Phillips wrote:
> > > > What stands out for me is that rmap is now apparently at parity with
> > > > (virtual scanning) 2.4.19 for a real application, i.e., parallel make.
> > > > I'm sure we'll still see the raw setup/teardown overhead if we make a
> > > > point of going looking for it, but it would be weird if we didn't.
> > > >
> > > > So can we tentatively declare victory of the execution overhead issue?
> > >
> > > err, no.  It's still adding half a millisecond or so to each fork/exec/exit
> > > cycle.  And that is arising from, apparently, an extra two cache misses
> > > per page.  Doubt if we can take this much further.
> > 
> > But that overhead did not show up in the kernel build timings you posted,
> > which do a realistic amount of forking.  So what is the worry, exactly?
> 
> Compilation is compute-intensive, not fork-intensive.  Think shell
> scripts, arch, forking servers, ...

OK, so what is an example of a real application that does tons of forking?
We need to get numbers for that.  We also need to compare such numbers to
the supposed advantage in swapping.

> > > Is it useful to instantiate the swapped-in page into everyone's
> > > pagetables, save some minor faults?
> > 
> > That's what I was thinking, then we just have to figure out how to find
> > all those swapped-out ptes efficiently.
> 
> page->pte?

Problem: we went and gave away the page when we swapped it out, but yes,
we could save the pte chain somewhere and maybe that's a win.  It would
eat memory just when we're trying to get some back, though.

> It may be a net loss for high sharing levels.  Dunno.

High sharing levels are exactly where the swap-in problem is going to
rear its ugly head.

-- 
Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-07 20:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-02 19:42 Daniel Phillips
2002-08-02 20:20 ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-02 21:40   ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-03  0:14   ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-03  0:31     ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-03  0:52       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-03  0:56       ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-03  3:47   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-03  5:24     ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-03 18:43       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-03 21:40         ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-03 21:54           ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-03 22:49           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-03 23:55             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-08-04  0:47             ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-04  1:01               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-04 14:11                 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-08-04 14:47                   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-08-04 16:55                   ` Tobias Ringstrom
2002-08-03 23:36           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-04  0:44             ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-03 21:05       ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-03 21:36         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-03 21:43         ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-03 21:41           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-03 21:24       ` [PATCH] Rmap speedup... call for testing Daniel Phillips
2002-08-03 22:05       ` [PATCH] Rmap speedup Daniel Phillips
2002-08-03 22:39         ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-03 22:35           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-04 23:33 ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-05  0:35   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-05  7:05   ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-05 13:48     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-05 13:57       ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-05 18:16         ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-07 18:59     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-07 19:40       ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-07 20:17         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-07 20:34           ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-07 20:51             ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-08-07 20:54               ` Rik van Riel
2002-08-07 22:21                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-08-07 22:48                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-07 20:39           ` Daniel Phillips

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