From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: Chuck Lever <cel@citi.umich.edu>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
<trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: invalidate_inode_pages in 2.5.32/3
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:07:00 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E17oZUa-0006wh-00@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0209091933150.6471-100000@citi.umich.edu>
On Tuesday 10 September 2002 01:51, Chuck Lever wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> > On Tuesday 10 September 2002 00:03, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > But there are
> > > apparently reasons why NFS cannot sleepingly lock pages in this
> > > particular context.
> >
> > If only we knew what those were. It's hard to keep the word 'bogosity'
> > from popping into my head.
>
> rpciod must never call a function that sleeps. if this happens, the whole
> NFS client stops working until the function wakes up again. this is not
> really bogus -- it is similar to restrictions placed on socket callbacks.
Ah, a warm body with answers :-)
It *sounds* bogus: why should we be satisfied with a function that doesn't
do its job reliably (invalidate_inode_pages) in order to avoid coming up
with a way of keeping the client daemon from blocking? How about having
invalidate_inode_pages come back with "sorry boss, I couldn't complete the
job so I started as much IO as I could and I'm back now, try again later"?
> async RPC tasks (ie, the rpciod process) invokes invalidate_inode_pages
> during normal, everyday processing, so it must not sleep. that's why it
> today ignores locked pages.
OK, that's half the job, the other half is to know that something's been
ignored, and get back to it later. Either there is a valid reason for
getting rid of these pages or there isn't, and if there is a valid reason,
then getting rid of only some of them must surely leave the door wide
open to strange misbehaviour.
> thus:
>
> 1. whatever function purges a file's cached data must not sleep when
> invoked from an async RPC task.
[otherwise other tasks using the client will stall needlessly]
> ...likewise, such a function must not
> sleep if the caller holds the file's i_sem.
>
> 2. access to the file must be serialized somehow with in-flight I/O
> (locked pages). we don't want to start new reads before all dirty
> pages have been flushed back to the server. dirty pages that have
> not yet been scheduled must be dealt with correctly.
State machine!
> 3. mmap'd pages must behave reasonably when a file's cache is purged.
> clean pages should be faulted back in. what to do with dirty mmap'd
> pages?
I don't know, sorry. What?
You've probably been through this before, but could you please explain
the ground rules behind the cache purging strategy?
--
Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-09-10 1:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-09-05 14:25 Chuck Lever
2002-09-05 18:27 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-05 18:53 ` Chuck Lever
2002-09-05 19:17 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-05 20:00 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-09-05 20:15 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-05 20:27 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-09-05 20:37 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-05 20:51 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-09-05 21:12 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-05 21:31 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-09-05 22:19 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-06 0:48 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-09-06 1:08 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-06 6:49 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-09-07 8:37 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-07 16:09 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-07 17:02 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-07 8:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-07 16:06 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-09 21:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 21:36 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-09 22:12 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-07 18:47 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-07 23:09 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-09 21:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 22:03 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-09 22:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 22:32 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-10 16:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 23:51 ` Chuck Lever
2002-09-10 1:07 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-09-10 15:09 ` Chuck Lever
2002-09-10 16:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10 19:04 ` Chuck Lever
2002-09-10 20:52 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 0:07 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-11 0:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 0:38 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-11 0:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 1:49 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-11 2:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 16:18 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-11 17:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12 19:06 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12 22:05 ` Urban Widmark
2002-09-12 22:21 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-12 22:30 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-12 22:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12 22:51 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-12 23:05 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-09-12 23:23 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-12 23:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-23 16:38 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-09-23 17:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-23 18:57 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-23 20:41 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-09-23 20:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-23 22:43 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-09-24 5:09 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-24 16:40 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-09-23 19:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 4:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 4:52 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-14 9:58 ` Urban Widmark
2002-09-12 13:04 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-09-12 18:21 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-12 21:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12 21:38 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-12 21:52 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-05 22:01 ` Chuck Lever
2002-09-05 22:23 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-05 21:41 ` Chuck Lever
2002-09-06 9:35 ` Helge Hafting
2002-09-06 16:16 ` Chuck Lever
2002-09-07 8:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-07 10:01 ` Daniel Phillips
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