From: Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, root@chaos.analogic.com
Subject: Re: Fw: signed kernel modules?
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:13:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1CJCic-0001uC-00@be1.7eggert.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa.jtpibm5.1l4ki17@ifi.uio.no>
Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> One can make a 'certified' kernel with 'certified' modules
> for some hush-hush project. Adding this kind of junk isn't
> how it's done. You just take your favorite kernel with the
> modules you require, you verify that it meets your security
> requirements, then you CRC the kernel and its modules. You
> keep the CRCs somewhere safe, available from a read-only
> source like a CD/ROM or a network file-server. You automatically
> check these CRCs occasionally using a read-only program on
> read-only source like the network or a CD/ROM. If the checks
> fail, you call the "super" and shut down the system.
If a malicious module loads, you lose instantly. You cannot relaibly check
module integrity on this system anymore. E.g. the malicious module might
patch the module checker to check a signed module instead of the malicious
one. Or the Exploit saves the old module, puts in the patched one, loads it
and puts the old one back in place.
Therefore you have to check on loading the module, independent from the
program loading the module. (Or you'd have to check the program loading the
module and provide a reliable way to prevent any race condition, which
would be much harder.)
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2004-10-17 15:13 ` Bodo Eggert [this message]
2004-10-18 11:27 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-23 10:19 ` Bodo Eggert
2004-10-15 15:37 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-15 16:05 ` Olivier Galibert
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2004-10-11 15:11 ` David Howells
2004-10-11 15:15 ` David Woodhouse
2004-10-11 22:34 ` Rusty Russell (IBM)
2004-10-12 8:35 ` David Woodhouse
2004-10-12 19:08 ` Greg KH
2004-10-13 0:20 ` Rusty Russell (IBM)
2004-10-13 8:24 ` David Woodhouse
2004-10-12 19:16 ` David Howells
2004-10-12 20:43 ` David Howells
2004-10-13 0:11 ` Rusty Russell (IBM)
2004-10-13 9:16 ` David Woodhouse
2004-10-13 21:21 ` Rusty Russell (IBM)
2004-10-13 10:42 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-13 22:40 ` Rusty Russell (IBM)
2004-10-14 23:44 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-15 1:00 ` Rusty Russell (IBM)
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2004-10-14 10:17 ` David Howells
2004-10-15 0:28 ` Rusty Russell (IBM)
2004-10-13 9:24 ` David Howells
2004-10-13 21:18 ` David Howells
2004-10-13 21:51 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-13 23:01 ` Rusty Russell
2004-10-14 11:02 ` David Howells
2004-10-15 0:47 ` Rusty Russell
2004-10-14 11:12 ` David Howells
2004-10-14 12:01 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-14 12:11 ` David Woodhouse
2004-10-14 14:22 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-14 14:30 ` David Woodhouse
2004-10-14 21:03 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-14 21:24 ` David Woodhouse
2004-10-14 21:36 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-14 21:52 ` David Woodhouse
2004-10-14 22:15 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-14 22:32 ` David Howells
2004-10-14 22:38 ` Roman Zippel
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2004-10-14 12:14 ` David Howells
2004-10-14 13:08 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-14 14:18 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-14 14:25 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-14 15:40 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-14 15:50 ` Dave Jones
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2004-10-14 18:20 ` Dave Jones
2004-10-14 18:30 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-14 18:46 ` Dave Jones
2004-10-14 19:03 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-14 19:41 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-14 21:13 ` Dave Jones
2004-10-18 1:56 ` Jon Masters
2004-10-14 18:09 ` David Howells
2004-10-15 11:12 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-15 12:10 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-15 12:31 ` Josh Boyer
2004-10-15 15:53 ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-15 16:17 ` Josh Boyer
2004-10-15 16:59 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-15 17:08 ` David Woodhouse
2004-10-15 17:35 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-15 20:56 ` Lee Revell
2004-10-15 21:18 ` Greg KH
2004-10-15 21:34 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-15 22:08 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-18 12:53 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-18 13:53 ` Matthew Garrett
2004-10-18 14:09 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-18 16:33 ` Greg KH
2004-10-18 17:14 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-18 17:28 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-15 17:46 ` Josh Boyer
2004-10-15 20:11 ` Tonnerre
2004-10-17 20:18 ` Thomas Weber
2004-10-17 20:52 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-17 21:25 ` Thomas Weber
2004-10-15 12:48 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-15 15:51 ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-15 14:01 ` David Woodhouse
2004-10-15 14:28 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-15 15:54 ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-15 16:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-10-14 18:44 ` Thomas Weber
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