From: Matthew Garrett <mgarrett@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
To: ncunningham@cyclades.com
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [3/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 301-proc-acpi-sleep-activate-hook.patch
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:22:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1DsHtr-0001ly-00@chiark.greenend.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1121162866.13869.142.camel@localhost>
Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@cyclades.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 19:47, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> In general, the kernel does very little to prevent users from shooting
>> themselves in the foot (or even chainsawing off their arms). We can do
>> these checks in userspace rather than adding more kernel code.
>
> Just because the kernel does very little, that doesn't mean it should.
> Particularly for something like suspend to disk, where it's not just a
> matter of an oops but of potential hard disk corruption, this is
> important.
The kernel isn't there to protect people. It's there to provide
functionality.
> If I could do it in userspace, I would. The trouble is, the userspace
> app may not be there to tell the user what is happening, and this might
> be part of the problem.
You're suggesting that users who are technically competent to compile
their own kernel and write their own initrd scripts are unable to deal
with checking whether or not a filesystem is mounted? You don't need an
application to do that, it's a simple matter of shell scripting. And, in
almost every case, if something is a simple matter of shell scripting it
shouldn't be in the kernel.
--
Matthew Garrett | mjg59-chiark.mail.linux-rutgers.kernel@srcf.ucam.org
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2005-07-06 2:20 [0/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12 Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [1/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: submit_intro Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 6:37 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 8:12 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [5/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 350-workthreads.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 6:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 10:57 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 11:07 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 11:15 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 11:25 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 11:25 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 11:45 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [2/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 300-reboot-handler-hook.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:08 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 10:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [6/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 351-syncthreads.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [4/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 302-init-hooks.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 8:38 ` Shaohua Li
2005-07-06 8:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 15:38 ` Bernard Blackham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [3/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 301-proc-acpi-sleep-activate-hook.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 6:45 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <E1DsHMp-00062f-00@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2005-07-12 10:07 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 10:22 ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2005-07-12 10:34 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [13/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 403-debug-pagealloc-support.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 6:48 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [10/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 360-reset-kswapd-max-order-after-resume.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 9:05 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [9/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 354-disable-mce-checking-during-suspend-avoid-smp-deadlock.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 11:49 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-09 12:02 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [14/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 404-check-mounts-support.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 8:15 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 8:30 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [12/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 402-mtrr-remove-sysdev.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 6:33 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [8/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 353-disable-highmem-tlb-flush-for-copyback.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [11/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 401-e820-table-support.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 3:35 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 3:44 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 8:04 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 13:29 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [7/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 352-disable-pdflush-during-suspend.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 3:34 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 3:43 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 13:27 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 8:08 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 9:52 ` Russell King
2005-07-10 23:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [20/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 520-version-specific-x86_64.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [15/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 405-clear-swapfile-bdev-in-swapoff.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [22/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 560-Kconfig-and-Makefile-for-suspend2.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [21/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 550-documentation.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [18/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 501-tlb-flushing-functions.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 11:52 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [19/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 510-version-specific-mac.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 3:49 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 5:30 ` hugang
2005-07-06 6:03 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 3:53 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 3:59 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 13:40 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 5:58 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 6:21 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:04 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [23/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 600-suspend-header.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [17/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 500-version-specific-i386.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 3:43 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [16/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 406-dynamic-pageflags.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 7:46 ` Shaohua Li
2005-07-06 8:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 8:30 ` Shaohua Li
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [30/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 607-atomic-copy.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:01 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-11 8:58 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [31/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 608-compression.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 11:55 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-09 12:15 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [25/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 602-smp.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 12:03 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 13:21 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [29/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 606-all-settings.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:03 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-11 9:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [27/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 604-utility.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [28/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 605-kernel_power_suspend.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 17:58 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 8:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [24/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 601-kernel_power_power-header.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 3:42 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-06 3:45 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [32/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 609-driver-model.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:10 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 12:05 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 12:14 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [26/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 603-suspend2_common-headers.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:22 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 11:41 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 11:52 ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-06 11:58 ` [PATCH] [26/48] " Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 11:53 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [41/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 617-proc.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:03 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [35/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 611-io.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:12 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 8:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [40/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 616-prepare_image.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:13 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 8:34 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [38/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 614-plugins.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:08 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-11 10:05 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [34/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 610-extent.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:14 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [39/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 615-poweroff.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:18 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 8:31 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [33/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 610-encryption.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:15 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 8:34 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [36/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 612-pagedir.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [37/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 613-pageflags.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 12:01 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-07 9:30 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-09 12:16 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-09 12:32 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [43/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 619-userspace-nofreeze.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 6:18 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-10 23:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 6:29 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 14:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [44/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 620-userui.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:22 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 6:58 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [46/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 622-swapwriter.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 6:33 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-07 12:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 13:05 ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-08 13:41 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 13:32 ` [PATCH] [46/48] " Pekka Enberg
2005-07-07 21:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 21:26 ` nickpiggin
2005-07-08 13:42 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-08 5:49 ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-08 5:53 ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [42/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 618-core.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:21 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-12 6:59 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 7:56 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [47/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 623-generic-block-io.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 18:24 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [48/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 624-filewriter.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:07 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 10:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 10:17 ` Pekka J Enberg
2005-07-09 12:10 ` [PATCH] [48/48] " Pavel Machek
2005-07-09 12:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-10 23:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 6:30 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 2:20 ` [PATCH] [45/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12: 621-swsusp-tidy.patch Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 9:55 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-07-06 6:40 ` [0/48] Suspend2 2.1.9.8 for 2.6.12 Pekka Enberg
2005-07-07 12:19 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-06 8:21 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 8:22 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-06 8:33 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 0:27 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 12:04 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-07-07 12:15 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 12:49 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-07-07 12:56 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 18:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2005-07-07 21:21 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-08 13:30 ` Stefan Seyfried
2005-07-08 22:27 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-07 19:19 ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-10 23:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12 6:36 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 6:41 ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-12 6:57 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-07-12 10:25 ` Nigel Cunningham
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