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From: Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>
To: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>
Cc: "linux-audit@redhat.com" <linux-audit@redhat.com>,
	Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	Dave Jones <davej@codemonkey.org.uk>, Kyle McMartin <jkkm@fb.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] audit: set context->dummy even when audit is off
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:55:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <EE4EBB7B-B3CA-4CFC-9B14-843ADDB9F2EA@fb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3063279.ZKBa9cPvsK@x2>

On 1 Nov 2019, at 10:16, Steve Grubb wrote:

> On Friday, November 1, 2019 9:24:17 AM EDT Chris Mason wrote:
>> On 31 Oct 2019, at 19:27, Paul Moore wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 12:40 PM Chris Mason <clm@fb.com> wrote:
>>> [ ... ]
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> This is a rather hasty email as I'm at a conference right now, but I
>>> wanted to convey that I'm not opposed to making sure that the NTP
>>> records obey the audit configuration (that was the original intent
>>> after all), I think it is just that we are all a little confused as 
>>> to
>>> why you are seeing the NTP records *and*only* the NTP records.
>>
>> This part is harder to nail down because there's a window during boot
>> where journald has enabled audit but chef hasn't yet run in and 
>> turned
>> it off, so we get a lot of logs early and then mostly ntp after that.
>
> This is the root of the problem. Journald should never turn on audit 
> since it
> has no idea if auditd even has rules to load. What if the end user 
> does not
> want auditing? By blindly enabling audit without knowing if its 
> wanted, it
> causes a system performance hit even with no rules loaded. It would be 
> best
> if journald leaves audit alone. If it wants to listen on the multicast
> socket, so be it. It should just listen and not try to alter the 
> system.
>
> Back to ntp, it sounds like the ntp record needs to check for 
> audit_enabled
> rather than the dummy context.

I'm not against sprinkling more audit_enabled checks, but we'd have to 
change audit_inode() and a bunch of the other callers of 
audit_dummy_context() as well.

-chris

  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-01 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-23 15:50 ntp audit spew Dave Jones
2019-09-23 16:14 ` Paul Moore
2019-09-23 16:58   ` Dave Jones
2019-09-23 18:57     ` Paul Moore
2019-09-23 19:49       ` Dave Jones
2019-09-23 19:49         ` Eric Paris
2019-09-24  2:39           ` Paul Moore
2019-09-23 21:00   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-09-24  3:01     ` Paul Moore
2019-09-24 13:50       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-09-24 17:05         ` Paul Moore
2019-09-26 15:50           ` Paul Moore
2019-09-24 13:19   ` Steve Grubb
2019-09-24 17:01     ` Paul Moore
2019-10-31 16:39   ` [PATCH] audit: set context->dummy even when audit is off Chris Mason
2019-10-31 23:27     ` Paul Moore
2019-11-01 13:24       ` Chris Mason
2019-11-01 14:16         ` Steve Grubb
2019-11-01 15:55           ` Chris Mason [this message]
2019-11-05  0:15         ` Paul Moore
2019-11-05  0:39           ` Chris Mason
2019-11-05  0:45             ` Paul Moore

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