From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@kernel.org>,
"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@kernel.org>,
"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
x86@kernel.org, "Juergen Gross" <jgross@suse.com>,
"Boris Ostrovsky" <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
"Alexander Usyskin" <alexander.usyskin@intel.com>,
"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Mateusz Jończyk" <mat.jonczyk@o2.pl>,
"Mike Rapoport" <rppt@kernel.org>,
"Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>,
"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] x86/cpu: rework instruction set selection
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 17:02:41 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <F6CAB3B2-B8CB-4A66-AF4A-B2CD3767BE04@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgfk69H-T-vMWR33xUpVsWJLrF34d0OwUXa2sHhtpSwZg@mail.gmail.com>
On April 26, 2025 12:55:13 PM PDT, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 at 12:24, Linus Torvalds
><torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> (And yes, one use in a x86 header file that is pretty questionable
>> too: I think the reason for the cmov is actually i486-only behavior
>> and we could probably unify the 32-bit and 64-bit implementation)
>
>Actually, what we *should* do is to remove that manual use of 'cmov'
>entirely - even if we decide that yes, that undefined zero case is
>actually real.
>
>We should probably change it to use CC_SET(), and the compiler will do
>a much better job - and probably never use cmov anyway.
>
>And yes, that will generate worse code if you have an old compiler
>that doesn't do ASM_FLAG_OUTPUTS, but hey, that's true in general. If
>you want good code, you need a good compiler.
>
>And clang needs to learn the CC_SET() pattern anyway.
>
>So I think that manual cmov pattern for x86-32 should be replaced with
>
> bool zero;
>
> asm("bsfl %[in],%[out]"
> CC_SET(z)
> : CC_OUT(z) (zero),
> [out]"=r" (r)
> : [in] "rm" (x));
>
> return zero ? 0 : r+1;
>
>instead (that's ffs(), and fls() would need the same thing except with
>bsrl insteadm, of course).
>
>I bet that would actually improve code generation.
>
>And I also bet it doesn't actually matter, of course.
>
> Linus
It is unfortunate, if understandable, that we ended up using a convention other than what ended up becoming standard. (Return the size in bits if the input is 0.)
This would let us use __builtin_ctz() > tzcnt which I believe is always inline on x86, and probably would help several other architectures too.
How much of a pain would it really be to fix this interface?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-27 0:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-25 14:15 Arnd Bergmann
2025-04-25 15:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-25 16:13 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-04-25 20:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-26 9:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-26 13:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-26 18:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-27 0:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-26 18:58 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-04-26 19:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-27 13:24 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-04-27 21:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-26 19:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26 19:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-26 23:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-27 10:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-27 0:02 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2025-04-27 19:17 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-04-27 19:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-27 21:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-28 6:58 ` [PATCH] bitops/32: Convert variable_ffs() and fls() zero-case handling to C Ingo Molnar
2025-04-28 7:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-28 7:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-28 12:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-04-28 13:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-28 16:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-29 10:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-04-29 14:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-28 16:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-28 21:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-29 0:12 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-04-29 2:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-29 2:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-29 2:25 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-04-29 3:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-29 14:38 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-04-29 18:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-29 19:13 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-04-29 20:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-29 21:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-29 21:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-29 21:59 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-04-29 22:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-29 22:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-04-29 22:22 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-04-29 22:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-04-27 9:50 ` [PATCH] [RFC] x86/cpu: rework instruction set selection Ingo Molnar
2025-04-30 21:54 ` David Laight
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