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From: Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-api@vger.kernel.org" <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] io_uring: add support for barrier fsync
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 18:56:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <FBAE8433-865B-4D4D-B658-27E234FE829F@fb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a7f00629-f822-7271-7a4e-ad3b802752e4@kernel.dk>

On 9 Apr 2019, at 14:46, Jens Axboe wrote:

> On 4/9/19 12:42 PM, Chris Mason wrote:

>> Looking at the patch, why is fsync special?  Seems like you could add
>> this ordering bit to any write?
>
> It's really not, the exact same technique could be used on any type of
> command to imply ordering. My initial idea was to have an explicit
> barrier/ordering command, but I didn't think that separating it from 
> an
> actual command would be needed/useful.

Might want to order discards?  Commit a transaction to free some blocks, 
discard those blocks?

>
>> While you're here, do you want to add a way to FUA/cache flush?
>> Basically the rest of what user land would need to make their own
>> write-back-cache-safe implementation.
>
> FUA would be a WRITEV/WRITE_FIXED flag, that should be trivially 
> doable.
>
> In terms of cache flush, that's very heavy handed (and storage
> oriented).  What applications would want/need to do an explicit whole
> device flush?

Basically if someone is writing a userland filesystem they'd want to 
cache flush for the same reasons the kernel filesystems do.


-chris

  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-09 18:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <7c7276e4-8ffa-495a-6abf-926a58ee899e@kernel.dk>
2019-04-09 18:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-09 18:23   ` Jens Axboe
2019-04-09 18:42     ` Chris Mason
2019-04-09 18:46       ` Jens Axboe
2019-04-09 18:56         ` Chris Mason [this message]
2019-04-11 11:05         ` Dave Chinner

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