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From: Volkmar Uhlig <vuhlig@us.ibm.com>
To: arai@vmware.com, zach@vmware.com
Cc: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, wim.coekaerts@oracle.com,
	chrisw@osdl.org, chrisl@vmware.com, jbeulich@novell.com,
	chrisw@sous-sol.org, virtualization@lists.osdl.org,
	torvalds@osdl.org, anne@vmware.com, jreddy@vmware.com,
	kmacy@fsmware.com, ksrinivasan@novell.com,
	leendert@watson.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: RE: [RFC, PATCH 5/24] i386 Vmi code patching
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:41:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <OF6C9205F6.79606CB4-ON05257139.0080D734@us.ibm.com> (raw)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arai@vmware.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:34 PM
>
> > The idea of in-tree ROM code doesn't make sense.  The entire point
> > of this layer of code is that it is modular, and specific to the
> > hypervisor, not the kernel.  Once you lift the shroud and combine
> > the two layers, you have lost all of the benefit that it was
> > supposed to provide.
> 
> To elaborate a bit more, the "ROM" layer is "published" by 
> the hypervisor.  This layer of abstraction will let you take 
> a VMI-compiled kernel and run it efficiently on any 
> hypervisor that exports a VMI interface - even one that you 
> didn't know about (or didn't exist) when you compiled your kernel.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Going forward, having the ROM layer published by the 
> hypervisor gives the hypervisor more flexibility than having 
> the code statically compiled into the kernel.  Consider when 
> hardware virtualization becomes more prevalent.  Perhaps 
> there are places where today hypercalls make sense, but with 
> hardware virtualization, you'd rather have the hardware just 
> take care of it.  CPUID is the only example I can come up 
> with at the moment, but there are certainly others.  VMI lets 
> the hypervisor decide that it doesn't actually need to 
> replace the CPUID instruction with a hypercall.  The 
> important factor here is that only the hypervisor, not the 
> kernel, knows about these performance tradeoffs.  

Very obvious other candidates are the shadowed system state registers
(cli, sti, CRx) provided by VT and the shadow page-table support as
defined by Pacifica.  In particular since these features are dependent on
the specific processor revision a hard-coded binary interface doesn't do
any good.  The ROM pretty much resembles Linux' system call interface as
provided today optimizing for the specific HW architecture.

- Volkmar

             reply	other threads:[~2006-03-22 23:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-22 23:41 Volkmar Uhlig [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-03-28  0:52 Chuck Ebbert
2006-03-28  1:48 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-13 18:02 Zachary Amsden
2006-03-15 10:02 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-15 16:01   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-15 22:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2006-03-15 23:00 ` Pavel Machek
2006-03-17  0:51   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-17 10:08   ` Joshua LeVasseur
2006-03-17 21:11     ` Chris Wright
2006-03-18  0:49       ` Joshua LeVasseur
2006-03-16 19:10 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-03-16 19:45   ` Rik van Riel
2006-03-16 21:54     ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-22 20:15 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-22 21:40   ` Chris Wright
2006-03-22 22:16     ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-22 22:33       ` Daniel Arai
2006-03-22 23:02         ` Chris Wright
2006-03-22 22:51       ` Chris Wright
2006-03-22 23:36         ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-23  0:41           ` Chris Wright
2006-03-23  0:54             ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-23  1:06               ` Chris Wright
2006-03-23  4:04                 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-23 11:42                 ` Joshua LeVasseur
2006-03-23  0:31     ` Anthony Liguori
2006-03-23  0:40       ` Chris Wright
2006-03-23  9:25         ` Keir Fraser

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