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From: "Bryan Henderson" <hbryan@us.ibm.com>
To: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jean-Marc Saffroy <saffroy@ri.silicomp.fr>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Subject: Re: [RFD] readonly/read-write semantics
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:34:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <OF89E1F633.FD6C3C44-ON87256ABE.000D60C3@boulder.ibm.com> (raw)


>So the most you would need
>> to wait for in going into the hard "read only" state I defined is for
any
>> page I/O to complete.  And for the "no new writes" state, you just write
>> protect all the pages (and any new ones that fault in too).
>
>It's not that simple.  At the very least you need an equivalent of msync()
>on each of these mappings before you can do anything of that kind.

I agree.  An ordinary remount shouldn't immediately go into hard readonly
state.  It should spend some time in no-new-writes state, during which it
flushes buffered writes, and I include in that dirty VM mapped pages, and
closes the filesystem.

My most basic point underlying all this, though, is that it should _not_
wait for all the files open for write to close (or fail because because
they haven't).

I thought there were also emergency cases where the filesystem driver
didn't want any more writing going on for fear of causing more damage.
That's why I mentioned the case where you might want to go straight to hard
readonly state.

>BTW, for real fun think of the situation when you have one of the swap
>components in a regular file on your filesystem.  Do you seriously want
>do_remount() to do automagical swapoff(2) on relevant swap components?

There are all kinds of ways I can shoot myself in the foot by making a
mount readonly that I really want to be writing through.  Is this one
special?

>IMO it's a userland job.

Sounds right to me.  We weren't going to talk about implementation yet,
though.  For starters, it would just be nice to agree what MS_RDONLY means
(and perhaps a few other similar flags).



             reply	other threads:[~2001-09-05  2:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-05  2:34 Bryan Henderson [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-09-04 19:50 Bryan Henderson
2001-09-05  2:15 ` Alexander Viro
2001-09-04 18:39 Bryan Henderson
2001-09-01  0:38 Bryan Henderson
2001-08-31 23:35 Bryan Henderson
2001-09-01  4:23 ` Alexander Viro
2001-09-01 14:42   ` Ingo Oeser
2001-09-01 16:44     ` Alexander Viro
2001-09-01 17:13       ` Nicholas Knight
2001-09-04  2:07       ` Jean-Marc Saffroy
2001-09-04  4:09         ` Alexander Viro
2001-09-04  9:26           ` Xavier Bestel
2001-09-04 10:15             ` Alexander Viro
2001-09-04 10:20               ` Xavier Bestel
2001-09-04 10:28                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-09-04 10:59                   ` Xavier Bestel
2001-09-04 11:29                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-09-04 17:03               ` Pavel Machek
2001-09-04 16:58   ` Pavel Machek
2001-08-31 17:18 [Q] [VFS] NULL f_dentry for opened files ; possible race condition Jean-Marc Saffroy
2001-08-31 20:56 ` [RFD] readonly/read-write semantics Alexander Viro
2001-09-01 13:08   ` Juan Quintela
2001-09-04  1:16   ` Jean-Marc Saffroy

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