From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263479AbTJ0TTS (ORCPT ); Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:19:18 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263517AbTJ0TTS (ORCPT ); Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:19:18 -0500 Received: from astound-64-85-224-253.ca.astound.net ([64.85.224.253]:46596 "EHLO master.linux-ide.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263479AbTJ0TTK (ORCPT ); Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:19:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:18:09 -0800 (PST) From: Andre Hedrick To: "Mudama, Eric" cc: "'Samium Gromoff'" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: RE: Blockbusting news, results get worse In-Reply-To: <785F348679A4D5119A0C009027DE33C105CDB3B2@mcoexc04.mlm.maxtor.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Eric, You are being helpful and this is a good thing. Sure anyone can join T13 for $800/year and up to $10K in travel cost. Anyone can join T10 for $10K/year and additional $10K in travel cost. Any other class/level of membership is worthless. If you can not vote why bother. I do not remember meeting you when I was working with VP Skinner in the Longmont office, the division of firmware for all of Maxtor. This could be that you were part of the Quantum merger? Regardless, I may be hard to understand. The drive companies are harder being mimes until recently. Cheers, Andre Hedrick LAD Storage Consulting Group On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Mudama, Eric wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Samium Gromoff [mailto:deepfire@ibe.miee.ru] > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:08 AM > > To: Mudama, Eric > > Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > > Subject: RE: Blockbusting news, results get worse > > > > > > Eric Mudama wrote: > > > Andre Hedrick wrote: > > > > Eric, > > > > > > > > Item "3" in your list is not practical, because no drive > > > > maker allows the same drives that large oem's purchase to > > be placed in retail. > > > > There are obvious reasons, but your position stated for > > the average joe > > > > consumer is flawed. > > > > > > I don't believe your statement is correct that OEM drives > > and retail drives > > > always differ. They may have slight configuration differences, but > > > fundamentally I think they're the same drive with identical or > > > near-identical firmware. > > > > If there is somebody you should believe about such stuff, > > that would be Andre. > > (by the way he was a T13 committee member not so long ago) > > That's nice. For $800/year, anyone can join who is interested, provided > they can attend the meetings. Anyone is free to join and ask questions on > the T13 mailing list. > > http://www.t13.org > > As to the "facts," I guess I choose to believe myself, since I'm one of the > guys writing firmware that decides drive behavior in many of these cases > that people bring up. Now, I've only been doing this for 3 years, so if > there was something done greater than 3 years ago, odds are I haven't heard > of it. I am only speaking from recent experience. > > As to "believing" Andre, I'm sure he's a nice guy, but he comes off as > awefully bitter... it's tough to read more than a few sentences of what he > writes. He obviously "knows" stuff, but wants to make people jump through > hoops to learn what he knows. > > > And, hey, i would have been rather surprised if you have > > answered otherwise, given your email address... > > Of course, you can dismiss everything I'm saying if you like. However, I'd > like to think I've been helpful to someone. Disk drives don't work quite > the way some people think, so I like to try to clear up these misconceptions > thinking it will eventually help produce better linux code that works better > with the IDE drives I can afford. > > --eric > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ >