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From: "Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com>
To: James Simmons <jsimmons@infradead.org>
Cc: Charles Lepple <clepple@ghz.cc>,
	Linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Turning off automatic screen clanking
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:54:05 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0307291338260.6166@chaos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0307291750170.5874-100000@phoenix.infradead.org>

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, James Simmons wrote:

>
> > Yes. This is f*ing absurb. A default that kills the screen and the
> > requirement to send some @!_$%!@$ sequences to turn it off. This
> > is absolute crap, absolutely positively, with no possible justification
> > whatsoever. If I made an ioctl, it will probably be rejected.........
>
> Welcome to the world of ESC sequences. These are terminal standards. Sorry.
>

No. There are no ANSI, nor DEC nor AT&T nor IRIS, nor IBM, nor any
other terminals that have screen-blanking capabilities. These are
the inventions of later-date emulations. If my DEC VT-220 screen
went blank I would need to have it serviced.

This is a PC invention that was adopted by Linux. It's very poor
design to have screen blanking enabled as the default. It's a
feature that should be enabled if wanted, not forced.

If you are not on-site within 10 minutes of having a remote
system fail, you can't see what's on the screen when you
plug in your monitor because the console driver has dutifully
blanked the screen. And, you can write escape sequences from
a task that doesn't exist. If `init` or whatever substitutes
for it fails to execute, unless you are watching, or can observe
the result before the screen blanks, you can't see what happened.
It is very poor design.

If the machine had blanking disabled by default, then the
usual SYS-V startup scripts could execute setterm to enable
it IFF it was wanted.

Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.4.20 on an i686 machine (797.90 BogoMips).
            Note 96.31% of all statistics are fiction.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-07-29 17:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-07-28 20:00 Richard B. Johnson
2003-07-28 20:01 ` Ben Collins
2003-07-28 20:08 ` Frank v Waveren
2003-07-28 20:25   ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-07-28 20:45     ` Charles Lepple
2003-07-29 11:06       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-07-29 16:51         ` James Simmons
2003-07-29 17:01           ` Andries Brouwer
2003-07-29 17:54           ` Richard B. Johnson [this message]
2003-07-29 18:31             ` Alan Cox
2003-07-30  0:17             ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-30  1:25               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-30  1:37                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-30  7:14                   ` Alex Riesen
2003-07-30  8:00                     ` David Lang
2003-07-31 14:33                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-07-31 14:57                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-31 15:20                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-31 21:41                         ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-08-01 15:25                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-01 17:11                             ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-30  1:40                 ` Petr Vandrovec
2003-07-30  2:35                   ` Petr Vandrovec
2003-07-30  5:22               ` Ville Herva
2003-07-30  5:44                 ` Gene Heskett
2003-07-31 14:36                 ` Timothy Miller
2003-07-31 16:20                   ` Herbert Pötzl
2003-07-31 16:56                     ` Mike Dresser
2003-07-31 19:55                     ` Timothy Miller
2003-07-31 23:35                       ` Ian Hastie
2003-07-30  6:03               ` jw schultz
2003-07-30  2:16             ` Miles Bader
2003-07-30  5:45               ` jw schultz
2003-07-28 20:19 ` Samuel Thibault
2003-07-28 20:27 ` Andries Brouwer
2003-07-29 13:02 Andries.Brouwer
2003-07-29 13:53 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-07-29 13:56 Andries.Brouwer
2003-07-30  6:14 Erik Andersen
2003-07-30 13:07 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-07-31 19:15   ` Norberto BENSA
2003-07-31 21:50     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-07-31 20:08 Petr Vandrovec
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     [not found]         ` <fotH.5J2.17@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <frB6.8gE.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-03 10:40             ` Julien Oster
2003-08-04  0:56               ` Ian Hastie
2003-08-05 18:52               ` Timothy Miller

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