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From: "Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com>
To: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
Cc: chakkerz@optusnet.com.au,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [OT] Crazy idea:  Design open-source graphics chip
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:30:44 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0401291127090.13834@chaos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40193136.4070607@techsource.com>

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Timothy Miller wrote:

>
>
> Christian Unger wrote:
> >>No more being at the mercy of closed-development graphics chip designers
> >>who make Linux an after-though if they even think of us at all.
>
> > Oh ... don't get me wrong, i think that the conceptual idea is awesome.
> > Personally, i wouldn't know where to begin, but can the open source community
> > compete with Nvidia and ATI? afterall this goes beyond software, it delves
> > into hardware. Sure there are people with the knowledge, maybe even with the
> > means, but i doubt the financial backing would be there from the get go.
> >
>
> We cannot compete with Nvidia or ATI or 3Dlabs or Matrox or even S3.
>
> The real question we have to ask ourselves is, what would be the market
> demand for a graphics card that is 3 generations behind the state of the
> art and over-priced, the only advantage being that it's a 100% open
> architecture?
>
> I don't have $100k to have it fabricated, so we have to goad some
> company into doing it for us, and given the volumes, they'll have to
> charge way more than it's worth if you compare its capabilities against
> ATI et al.
>
> I've got some great ideas for how to do this chip, but they're frankly
> nothing revolutionary.  The obvious test bed is an FPGA.  That imposes
> serious limitations on what kind of logic utilization and performance we
> can get.  The ASIC version can be clocked faster, but we dare not put in
> untested logic.  (And we can't afford the tools necessary to do the
> proper simulation.)
>
>
> So, the big question:  How many units a year would be sold for an
> underpowered, over-priced graphics card that just happens to be 100%
> open and 100% supported?
>

With the press Linux is getting from the IBM/Linux advertisements
for the US football games, etc., methinks it won't be long before
NVidia and all the rest go open-source, just to jump onto that
band-wagon. They just need a smart way to protect their intellectual
property.

Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.4.24 on an i686 machine (797.90 BogoMips).
            Note 96.31% of all statistics are fiction.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-01-29 16:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-28 17:34 Timothy Miller
2004-01-29  1:11 ` Christian Unger
2004-01-29 15:59   ` Stephen Smoogen
2004-01-29 16:07     ` Maciej Soltysiak
2004-01-29 16:21     ` John Bradford
2004-01-29 16:13   ` Timothy Miller
2004-01-29 16:29     ` John Bradford
2004-01-29 16:52       ` Timothy Miller
2004-01-29 17:18         ` John Bradford
2004-01-29 17:47           ` Timothy Miller
2004-01-29 18:55             ` John Bradford
2004-01-29 19:11               ` Timothy Miller
2004-01-29 21:36                 ` John Bradford
2004-01-29 21:36                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-01-30 10:36                 ` Helge Hafting
2004-01-30 17:02                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-01-30 17:20                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2004-01-30 17:40                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-01-30 18:11                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2004-01-30 18:21                           ` Timothy Miller
2004-01-30 19:09                             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2004-01-30 21:09                         ` Helge Hafting
2004-01-30 21:23                           ` Timothy Miller
2004-01-31 17:32                             ` John Bradford
2004-01-31 18:39                             ` Roland Dreier
2004-01-30 17:23                     ` Måns Rullgård
2004-01-30 17:44                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-01-30 19:01                     ` John Bradford
2004-01-30 21:19                     ` Helge Hafting
2004-02-01 10:36                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-02-01 11:06                   ` John Bradford
2004-02-01 11:46                     ` Måns Rullgård
2004-02-01 22:41                   ` Christian Unger
2004-02-02 17:13                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-02 17:11                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-01-30 16:54               ` Jesse Pollard
2004-02-01 10:35         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-02-02 17:03           ` Timothy Miller
2004-01-29 16:30     ` Richard B. Johnson [this message]
2004-01-29 16:58       ` Timothy Miller
2004-01-29 18:08         ` Frank Gevaerts
2004-01-30 22:35           ` Esben Stien
2004-01-29 18:06     ` Torrey Hoffman
2004-01-29 18:58       ` Timothy Miller
2004-01-31 18:41     ` Pavel Machek
2004-01-31 18:15 ` Tomas Zvala
2004-02-01 14:58 DaMouse Networks
2004-02-02 17:16 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-02 17:37   ` DaMouse Networks
2004-02-02 18:45     ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-02 19:43       ` DaMouse Networks

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