From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262287AbUBXQo5 (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:44:57 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262284AbUBXQo5 (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:44:57 -0500 Received: from chaos.analogic.com ([204.178.40.224]:1920 "EHLO chaos.analogic.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262287AbUBXQoz (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:44:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:44:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard B. Johnson" X-X-Sender: root@chaos Reply-To: root@chaos.analogic.com To: Tomas Szepe cc: sandr8@crocetta.org, Gautam Pagedar , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: can i modify ls In-Reply-To: <20040224163530.GA24370@louise.pinerecords.com> Message-ID: References: <005601c3fd75$1c681510$8c01080a@crayii> <403B7402.2000008@universitari.crocetta.org> <20040224163530.GA24370@louise.pinerecords.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Tomas Szepe wrote: > On Feb-24 2004, Tue, 15:55 +0000 > Alessandro Salvatori wrote: > > > it's quite interesting... > > Actually, it's not. > > 1) The presence/absence of the read permission on a directory determines > whether the user will be able to list the directory's contents. > > 2) The fs permission model is enforced by the kernel. Trying to impose > additional restrictions in userspace is fragile, futile and > an incredibly stupid idea. If you don't have any programming tools and no access to any (like a banking or restrictive office environment), and there is no way to get any external executable files to run, i.e., no floppy or no shell that could possibly access one, then writing a minimal 'ls' program that allows the clerk to see what's in her directory might be useful. So, it just might not be, as you say; "an incredibly stupid idea". Cheers, Dick Johnson Penguin : Linux version 2.4.24 on an i686 machine (797.90 BogoMips). Note 96.31% of all statistics are fiction.