From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S266674AbUGKX7V (ORCPT ); Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:59:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S266676AbUGKX7V (ORCPT ); Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:59:21 -0400 Received: from chaos.analogic.com ([204.178.40.224]:22658 "EHLO chaos.analogic.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S266674AbUGKX7S convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:59:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:59:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard B. Johnson" X-X-Sender: root@chaos Reply-To: root@chaos.analogic.com To: Jean Francois Martinez cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Integrated ethernet on SiS chipset doesn't work In-Reply-To: <1089538014.4690.32.camel@agnes> Message-ID: References: <1089480939.2779.22.camel@agnes> <1089538014.4690.32.camel@agnes> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, Jean Francois Martinez wrote: > Le dim 11/07/2004 à 03:48, Richard B. Johnson a écrit : > > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Jean Francois Martinez wrote: > > > > > I have a friend who owns a computer manufactured by Medion and who > > > sports an MSI motherboard who has a SiS chipset. The MSI motherboard > > > seems to have ben made specially for Medion since it isn't > > > referenced on MSI's site. The problems is that the integrated ethernet > > > doesn't work at all under Linux be it with 2.4 or 2.6 kernel. He can't > > > ping or connect to other boxes. His ethernet works when he boots > > > Windows. > > > > > > I include the output of lspci > > > > Tell him to plug a supported ethernet board into a PCI slot > > and forget trying to get the embeded one working. It probably > > isn't "turned on" by some secret incantations to some secret > > registers. If you were to actually find out what was necessary > > to make the board work, then that software won't work with a > > regular SiS setup so nobody will put it into the kernel. The > > usual problem with these imbeded boards is that the vendor > > saved 18 US cents (actually) by not putting in the serial > > EEPROM that enables I/O and sets the IEEE station address > > (the MAC address). If you poke the correct registers, you > > can get it turned ON, then what MAC address would you use? > > > > Buried in some BAR somewhere is the MAC address. Forget it. > > Get a real ethernet board. Been there, done that. > > > > > > 1) I have been using several integrated ethernets in both Nvidia aand > Intel chipsets with good results > Did you bother to READ what I took the time to explain? > 2) The Sis 900 driver is supposed to be _supported_ ie someone is being > paid for fixing problems. It has the highest maintenance status so > its problems are made to be fixed. > WTF? Who is getting paid? Find them and bitch to them. All the stuff you see on the linux-kernel list was/is contributed for free. It's possible that a vendor like Suse or RedHat may have people working for them that get paid. You find out what company provided your distribution and contact them. > 3) The guy is not a hard core Linuxer but someone who is just feeling > water temperature. He has made from Linux being able to make his > ethernet work THE test for deciding if Linux is usable. So what? I'm going to decide that THE test to find out about my electric connection is, "Can a cat walk the wire?" > > 4) If I am bothering to submit to the kernel list it is because I want > the problem fixed for _everyone_ and the road for this doesn't go > through using another board or performing a trick of black magic > (putting the thing in half duplex mode). It goes through having the > driver fixed and in the interim, since searching for black magic things > is not acceptable in a professional context, getting the driver to use > the black magic thing _by default_. Now I am very willing to help the > maintainer to find what is wrong with this particular > submodel/motherboard. Contact the "maintainer". Using black magic will break it for real boards that plug into PCI slots. If you had bothered to read what I wrote, you would know that. Cheers, Dick Johnson Penguin : Linux version 2.4.26 on an i686 machine (5570.56 BogoMips). Note 96.31% of all statistics are fiction.