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From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Cc: Val Henson <val@nmt.edu>, Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Transparent compression in the FS
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:33:39 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0310161422170.2217@bigblue.dev.mdolabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3F8F0766.30405@pobox.com>

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Jeff Garzik wrote:

> Val Henson wrote:
> > Abstract:
> >
> >  "Recent research has produced a new and perhaps dangerous technique
> >   for uniquely identifying blocks that I will call
> >   compare-by-hash. Using this technique, we decide whether two blocks
> >   are identical to each other by comparing their hash values, using a
> >   collision-resistant hash such as SHA-1. If the hash values match,
> >   we assume the blocks are identical without further ado. Users of
> >   compare-by-hash argue that this assumption is warranted because the
> >   chance of a hash collision between any two randomly generated blocks
> >   is estimated to be many orders of magnitude smaller than the chance
> >   of many kinds of hardware errors. Further analysis shows that this
> >   approach is not as risk-free as it seems at first glance."
>
>
> I'm curious if anyone has done any work on using multiple different
> checksums?  For example, the cost of checksumming a single block with
> multiple algorithms (sha1+md5+crc32 for a crazy example), and storing
> each checksum (instead of just one sha1 sum), may be faster than reading
> the block off of disk to compare it with the incoming block.  OTOH,
> there is still a mathematical possibility (however-more-remote) of a
> collission...

At that point it is better to extend the fingerprint size, since the SHA1
algorithm has a better distribution compared to md5 and crc32. Probability
estimates are pretty low though. If you consider a 2^32 blocks FS, that
with a 4Kb block size makes a 4 tera FS, the collision probability is in
the orders of 2^(-95) (with a 160 bit fingerprint). That's a pretty low
number. Yes, it is true that the input is not completely random, but a
good property of SHA1 is the one of spreading output result of very
similar input patterns.




- Davide


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-10-16 21:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-14 20:30 Josh Litherland
2003-10-15 13:33 ` Erik Mouw
2003-10-15 13:45   ` Josh Litherland
2003-10-15 13:50   ` Nikita Danilov
2003-10-15 14:27     ` Erik Mouw
2003-10-15 14:33       ` Nikita Danilov
2003-10-15 15:54         ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-15 16:21           ` Nikita Danilov
2003-10-15 17:19             ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-15 17:37               ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-15 17:48               ` Dave Jones
2003-10-15 18:19                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-15 18:06               ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-17 12:51                 ` Edward Shushkin
2003-10-15 16:04         ` Erik Mouw
2003-10-15 17:24           ` Josh Litherland
2003-10-15 18:53             ` Erik Bourget
2003-10-15 19:03           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-10-15 19:14             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-15 19:24               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-10-15 18:54         ` root
2003-10-16  2:11           ` Chris Meadors
2003-10-16  3:01             ` Shawn
2003-10-15 14:47       ` Erik Bourget
2003-10-15 15:05         ` Nikita Danilov
2003-10-15 15:06           ` Erik Bourget
2003-10-15 21:36       ` Tomas Szepe
2003-10-16  8:04         ` Ville Herva
2003-10-17  1:32       ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-10-15 15:13   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-15 21:00     ` Christopher Li
2003-10-16 16:29     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-10-16 16:41       ` P
2003-10-16 17:20         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 23:12         ` jw schultz
2003-10-17  8:03           ` John Bradford
2003-10-17 14:53             ` Eli Carter
2003-10-17 15:27               ` John Bradford
2003-10-17 16:22                 ` Eli Carter
2003-10-17 17:15                   ` John Bradford
2003-10-16 17:10       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 17:41         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-10-16 17:29       ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-16 17:49         ` Val Henson
2003-10-16 21:02           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 21:18             ` Chris Meadors
2003-10-16 21:25               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 21:33             ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
2003-10-17  3:47             ` Mark Mielke
2003-10-17 14:31             ` Jörn Engel
2003-10-16 23:04           ` jw schultz
2003-10-16 23:30             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 23:58               ` jw schultz
2003-10-16 23:53                 ` David Lang
2003-10-17  1:19                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-17  0:45             ` Christopher Li
2003-10-17  1:16               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-17  1:32             ` jlnance
2003-10-17  1:47               ` Eric Sandall
2003-10-17  8:11                 ` John Bradford
2003-10-17 17:53                   ` Eric Sandall
2003-10-17 13:07                 ` jlnance
2003-10-17 14:16                   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-17 15:06                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-17  1:49               ` Davide Libenzi
2003-10-17  1:59               ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-17  2:19               ` jw schultz
2003-10-17  9:44             ` Pavel Machek
2003-10-17 12:33               ` jlnance
2003-10-17 18:23               ` jw schultz
2003-10-27  2:08                 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-10-27  2:15                   ` jw schultz
2003-10-27  2:22             ` Mike Fedyk
2003-10-27  2:45               ` jw schultz
2003-10-16 18:28         ` John Bradford
2003-10-16 18:31           ` Robert Love
2003-10-16 20:18             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 18:43           ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2003-10-16 18:56           ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-16 19:00             ` Robert Love
2003-10-16 19:27               ` John Bradford
2003-10-16 19:03             ` John Bradford
2003-10-16 19:20               ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-17 13:16         ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-16 23:20       ` jw schultz
2003-10-17 14:47         ` Eli Carter
2003-10-16  8:27   ` tconnors+linuxkernel1066292516
2003-10-17 10:55   ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-15 16:25 ` David Woodhouse
2003-10-15 16:56   ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-15 17:44     ` David Woodhouse
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2003-10-17  8:15             ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau

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