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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: anon_vma RFC2
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:17:49 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0403120812430.1045@ppc970.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040312124638.GR655@holomorphy.com>



On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> 
> Absolute guarantees are nice but this characterization is too extreme.
> The case where mremap() creates rmap_chains is so rare I never ever saw
> it happen in 6 months of regular practical use and testing. Their
> creation could be triggered only by remap_file_pages().

I have to _violently_ agree with Andrea on this one.

The absolute _LAST_ thing we want to have is a "remnant" rmap 
infrastructure that only gets very occasional use. That's a GUARANTEED way 
to get bugs, and really subtle behaviour.

I think Andrea is 100% right. Either do rmap for everything (like we do
now, modulo IO/mlock), or do it for _nothing_.  No half measures with
"most of the time".

Quite frankly, the stuff I've seen suggested sounds absolutely _horrible_. 
Special cases are not just a pain to work with, they definitely will cause 
bugs. It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when".

So let's make it clear: if we have an object-based reverse mapping, it 
should cover all reasonable cases, and in particular, it should NOT have 
rare fallbacks to code that thus never gets any real testing.

And if we have per-page rmap like now, it should _always_ be there.

You do have to realize that maintainability is a HELL of a lot more
important than scalability of performance can be. Please keep that in
mind.

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-03-12 16:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-08 20:24 objrmap-core-1 (rmap removal for file mappings to avoid 4:4 in <=16G machines) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-08 20:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-08 21:23   ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-08 23:02     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-08 23:21       ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-08 23:40         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09  0:10           ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-09  0:35             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09  0:59               ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-09  8:31           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09  8:44             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-09  9:03             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 14:51               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 15:09                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 15:24                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 16:10                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 16:35                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-08 21:02 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-08 22:34   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09  2:46     ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-08 21:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-08 23:08   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09  7:47     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 15:21       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 15:36         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 16:33           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 17:23             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-09 19:57             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 20:27               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-10 11:35                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-10 12:32                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 10:52 ` [lockup] " Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 11:02   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 11:09     ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-09 11:49       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 12:32         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-09 16:03         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-10 10:36           ` RFC anon_vma previous (i.e. full objrmap) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-10 10:40             ` RFC anon_vma preview " Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-10 10:54             ` RFC anon_vma previous " Ingo Molnar
2004-03-11  6:52             ` anon_vma RFC2 Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-11 13:23               ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-11 13:56                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-11 21:54                   ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-12  1:47                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12  2:20                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12  3:28                   ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 12:21                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 12:40                       ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 13:11                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 16:25                           ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 17:13                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 17:23                               ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 17:44                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 18:18                                   ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 18:25                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-12 18:48                                   ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 19:02                                     ` Chris Friesen
2004-03-12 19:06                                       ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 19:10                                         ` Chris Friesen
2004-03-12 19:14                                           ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 20:27                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 20:32                                           ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 20:49                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 21:08                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-12 12:42                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 12:46                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-12 13:24                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 13:40                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-12 13:55                           ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-12 16:01                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 16:17                         ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2004-03-13  0:28                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-13 14:43                           ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-13 16:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-13 17:24                               ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-13 17:28                                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-13 17:41                                   ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-13 18:08                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-13 17:54                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-13 17:55                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-13 18:57                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-13 19:14                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-13 17:48                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-13 17:33                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-13 17:53                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-13 18:13                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-13 19:35                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-13 17:57                                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-12 13:43                       ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-12 15:56                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 16:12                           ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-12 16:39                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-11 17:33                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-11 22:20                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-11 23:43                   ` Hugh Dickins
2004-03-12  3:20                     ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-09 17:22         ` [lockup] Re: objrmap-core-1 (rmap removal for file mappings to avoid 4:4 in <=16G machines) Rik van Riel
2004-03-09 17:56           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 15:59     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 16:07       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 16:08         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 16:39           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 19:33             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-09 16:39         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-09 15:41   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-15 19:47     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-03-15 22:00       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-16  7:39         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-03-16 13:50           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-11 20:09 anon_vma RFC2 Manfred Spraul
     [not found] <20040310080000.GA30940@dualathlon.random>
2004-03-10 13:01 ` [lockup] Re: objrmap-core-1 (rmap removal for file mappings to avoid 4:4 in <=16G machines) Rik van Riel
2004-03-10 13:50   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 17:05     ` anon_vma RFC2 Rajesh Venkatasubramanian
2004-03-12 17:26       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-12 21:16         ` Rajesh Venkatasubramanian
2004-03-13 17:55           ` Rajesh Venkatasubramanian
2004-03-13 18:16             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-13 19:40               ` Rajesh Venkatasubramanian
2004-03-14  0:23                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-14  0:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-14  1:01                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-14  1:07                       ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-14  1:19                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-14  1:41                           ` Rik van Riel
2004-03-14  2:27                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-14  1:15                       ` Linus Torvalds

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