From: Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Keith Whitwell <keith@tungstengraphics.com>,
Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>, Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@yahoo.com>,
dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New proposed DRM interface design
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:32:41 +0100 (IST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409041324170.25475@skynet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040904132142.A14904@infradead.org>
>
> Again, how is drm different from scsi or net or whatever drivers except
> that you need a big userlevel component aswell?
Well I've always wondered why I couldn't download drivers for my i845 on
board soundcard for Redhat 9 (back when it was a supported distro), why
the hell did I need to go install FC1 or upgrade my kernel to a non-RH
kernel, same with X on the i845, it was crap on RH9 by the time FC1 came
out the i865 was out, the distros play catchup the whole time with new
hardware, why not allow people to download external drivers and use em?
I do take your point that a vendor supplied kernel update will break
everything anyways, but we do have a lot of proprietary driver users that
deal with this and get support for their hardware why should people
supplying open source drivers be worse off.. and that is my view with the
drm at the moment, companies wanting to do the right things are in a worse
position than companies just releasing binary drivers, and that is just
wrong :-), telling your users to get a new kernel isn't a nice way of
doing things, and maybe Fedora is doing things right, but not many other
distros are...
Dave.
--
David Airlie, Software Engineer
http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / airlied at skynet.ie
pam_smb / Linux DECstation / Linux VAX / ILUG person
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-09-04 12:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-09-04 0:12 Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 0:44 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 0:51 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 1:20 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 4:58 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 9:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 9:43 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 9:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 9:48 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-09-04 9:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 9:45 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 9:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 10:23 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 10:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 10:30 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 10:44 ` Nick Piggin
2004-09-04 10:54 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 11:17 ` Dave Jones
2004-09-04 12:58 ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-09-04 21:06 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-05 10:14 ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-09-04 10:57 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 11:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 11:12 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 11:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 11:24 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 11:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 21:34 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-04 22:41 ` viro
2004-09-04 23:33 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-05 2:10 ` Horst von Brand
2004-09-05 3:42 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-04 11:42 ` Dave Jones
2004-09-04 11:50 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 21:35 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-04 22:06 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-05 12:00 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-04 11:18 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 11:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 11:30 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 11:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 11:44 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 11:29 ` Dave Jones
2004-09-04 11:41 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 11:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 12:04 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 12:10 ` Dave Jones
2004-09-04 12:35 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 12:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 21:45 ` Lee Revell
2004-09-04 16:39 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-04 11:54 ` Dave Jones
2004-09-04 12:08 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 12:17 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 12:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 12:32 ` Dave Airlie [this message]
2004-09-04 12:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-09-04 12:36 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 22:17 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 22:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-04 23:08 ` Felix Kühling
2004-09-04 12:20 ` Dave Jones
2004-09-04 13:52 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 15:36 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 15:56 ` Dieter Nützel
2004-09-04 17:43 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 18:03 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-05 12:07 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-05 15:05 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-05 14:15 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-05 15:33 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-05 14:44 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-05 14:58 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-05 16:05 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-05 15:13 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-07 8:43 ` Helge Hafting
2004-09-07 14:04 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-08 11:09 ` Helge Hafting
2004-09-06 6:06 ` Ryan Underwood
2004-09-05 15:31 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-05 17:27 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-05 21:12 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-05 20:53 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-05 22:11 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-05 22:59 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-06 20:58 ` Hamie
2004-09-06 20:15 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-06 21:38 ` Hamie
2004-09-06 21:47 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-06 22:18 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-09-07 19:21 ` Ian Romanick
2004-09-04 0:54 ` Alex Deucher
2004-09-04 0:59 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 1:25 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 19:03 ` Alex Deucher
2004-09-04 3:51 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 4:52 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 6:04 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 7:36 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 7:53 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 8:25 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 8:37 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 9:02 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 16:01 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 17:44 ` Keith Whitwell
2004-09-04 7:52 ` Dave Airlie
2004-09-04 15:46 ` Jon Smirl
[not found] ` <2191E8A1-FE89-11D8-BFDA-000A95F07A7A@fs.ei.tum.de>
2004-09-04 15:59 ` Jon Smirl
2004-09-04 21:35 ` Eric Anholt
2004-09-07 21:01 ` Ian Romanick
2004-09-04 9:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
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