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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Adam Heath <doogie@debian.org>
Cc: Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: support of older compilers
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:52:21 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411041544220.2187@ppc970.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411041734100.1229@gradall.private.brainfood.com>



On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Adam Heath wrote:
> 
> But slowness doesn't mean wrong, just by being slow.

No.

"Right" and "wrong" have _nothing_ to do with anything.

he only thing that matters is "what is the best tool". And yes, 
performance _is_ an issue in selecting the best tool. It's not the only 
one, but it's a major one.

You said so yourself when you claimed people should just buy faster 
hardware. Again, the machine you use is just another tool. Why should you 
buy a faster machine if performance doesn't matter?

I don't understand why you first dismiss performance, and then go on to
ignore all the _other_ issues I told you about too.

And your argument about "things will get fixed if you use the newer
version" is also not actually true. First off, if it ain't broke in the 
older version, then things _literally_ will get fixed by not upgrading in 
the first place.

And telling a developer "I'm not using your new version because it sucks
compared to the old one" is actually a perfectly valid thing to do, and is 
likely to be _more_ motivational for the developer to get it fixed than 
having users that just follow the newest version like stupid sheep.

There are people out there using Linux-2.0. There are probably people even
using linux-1.2. And hey, that's OK. For older machines it may really be
the right choice, especially if they are still doing the same thing they
did several years ago. The notion that you somehow "have to" upgrade to
the newest version of software is BOGUS.

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-04 23:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-03 21:02 Timothy Miller
2004-11-03 21:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-03 21:22   ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-11-03 23:06   ` Adam Heath
2004-11-03 23:30     ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-11-04 16:50       ` Adam Heath
2004-11-04 17:00         ` Chris Friesen
2004-11-04 18:17           ` Adam Heath
2004-11-05 20:00             ` Willy Tarreau
2004-11-05 20:28               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-11-05 20:31                 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-11-04 17:04         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-04 18:15           ` Adam Heath
2004-11-04 18:31             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-04 21:56               ` Adam Heath
2004-11-04 18:54             ` Ian Romanick
2004-11-04 19:48             ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-04 20:14               ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-11-05 20:04               ` Willy Tarreau
2004-11-04 19:36           ` Ian Hastie
2004-11-04 20:02             ` Ioan Ionita
2004-11-04 20:03             ` Adrian Bunk
2004-11-04 20:08             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-04 19:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-04 21:47           ` Adam Heath
2004-11-04 21:55             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-04 23:39               ` Adam Heath
2004-11-04 23:52                 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2004-11-05  1:41                   ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-05 15:41                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-05 15:47                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-05 16:22                         ` linux-os
2004-11-05 19:50                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-11-05 20:28                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-05 21:59                           ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-11-05 22:08                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-05 23:02                               ` [PATCH] change Kconfig entry for RAMFS (Was: Re: support of older compilers) Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-11-05 23:12                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-05 23:44                                   ` [PATCH] change Kconfig entry for RAMFS Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-11-06  0:48                                     ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-11-09 23:24                                     ` Matt Mackall
2004-11-10 10:40                                       ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-11-10 20:50                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-11-05 23:27                                 ` [PATCH] change Kconfig entry for RAMFS (Was: Re: support of older compilers) DaMouse
2004-11-05 23:49                                   ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-11-06 13:59                                     ` DaMouse
2004-11-05 22:08                             ` support of older compilers Hua Zhong
2004-11-06  8:38                               ` Willy Tarreau
2004-11-06  9:43                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-11-06 11:04                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2004-11-05 22:37                             ` support of older compilers [u] Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-11-05 23:14                               ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-11-05 23:38                                 ` chibiryuu
2004-11-06 12:07                       ` support of older compilers Andries Brouwer
2004-11-06 17:33                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-06 19:36                           ` Adrian Bunk
2004-11-06 21:41                             ` bloat Andries Brouwer
2004-11-06 22:07                               ` bloat Adrian Bunk
2004-11-06 21:30                                 ` bloat Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2004-11-07 13:37                               ` bloat Frank van Maarseveen
2004-11-05 20:20                 ` support of older compilers Willy Tarreau
2004-11-05 22:19                   ` Adam Heath
2004-11-04 22:36             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-04 20:48         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-11-04 22:33     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-03 21:17 ` Matti Aarnio
2004-11-03 21:37   ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2004-11-03 21:57     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-11-04  2:16       ` Miles Bader
2004-11-03 22:07     ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-11-04 19:33 Clayton Weaver
2004-11-05 15:36 ` Nix
2004-11-04 22:49 Xose Vazquez Perez
2004-11-06  9:07 Clayton Weaver
2004-11-09 17:39 ` Nix
     [not found] <2Xj2s-5vj-33@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-11-06 10:15 ` Anton Ertl

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