From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932089AbWFMNPw (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:15:52 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932092AbWFMNPw (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:15:52 -0400 Received: from lucidpixels.com ([66.45.37.187]:23705 "EHLO lucidpixels.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932089AbWFMNPv (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:15:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:15:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Piszcz X-X-Sender: jpiszcz@p34.internal.lan To: Matthias Andree cc: Bernd Petrovitsch , Horst von Brand , marty fouts , David Woodhouse , Matti Aarnio , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: VGER does gradual SPF activation (FAQ matter) In-Reply-To: <20060613105021.GB13597@merlin.emma.line.org> Message-ID: References: <200606130305.k5D35YhA004268@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> <1150187478.28123.7.camel@tara.firmix.at> <20060613105021.GB13597@merlin.emma.line.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Matthias Andree wrote: > Bernd Petrovitsch schrieb am 2006-06-13: > >> On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 23:05 -0400, Horst von Brand wrote: >>> Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: >> [...] >>>> Use secure authenticated mail submission on a known good MTA of said >>>> domain (and even the smallest ISP should be able to set that up). >>> >>> So what? What should me make me trust some domain that I've never before >> >> Well, so everyone can send email through an MTA (the email accounts >> "home MTA") covered in the SPF records. > > As (1) SPF this is demonstrably useless to establish trust and (2) the > argument that SPF doesn't provide the required blacklist information > hasn't been countered yet, it follows that > SPF just makes life harder for everyone without real benefits in return. > > SPF also prefers end-to-end mailings and falls short when relays are > used - but these are advocated by the SPF disciples. > > Can this SPF madness please be buried now? > > -- > Matthias Andree > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > SPF can be useful though, as a lot of Asian spam, for example says they are hotmail.com and they are not, SPF can reject much faster than sender address verification.