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From: Esben Nielsen <nielsen.esben@googlemail.com>
To: Jean-Marc Valin <Jean-Marc.Valin@usherbrooke.ca>
Cc: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Esben Nielsen <nielsen.esben@googlemail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: Where is RLIMIT_RT_CPU?
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:44:31 +0100 (BST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0607161137080.9870@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1153009392.6374.77.camel@idefix.homelinux.org>



On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Jean-Marc Valin wrote:

>> I don't think it's a problem.  If the admin does not want non-root users
>> to be able to lock up the machine, just don't put them in the realtime
>> group.
>
> What if the admin *wants* non-root users to have good quality audio, and
> just doesn't want them to crash the system (voluntarily and especially
> accidentally). Enforcing CPU limits *is* possible and it has already
> been done independently by both Ingo and Con. I'm just waiting for the
> feature to be available out-of-the box, which is not for today if kernel
> space keeps pointing at userspace and vice versa. :-(
>
> 	Jean-Marc
>

You can't have "random" users scheduling thing at real-time priorities.
A real-time system can only work if it is set up as whole and all 
real-time tasks are taken into consideration. If you allow a user to start 
another real-time task, that task might destroy the real-time properties 
of all the rest by taking too much cpu.

As I see it the only thing you can do is to use sudo to run anything,
which needs real-time priority, with higher priviliges, than what a normal 
user have. Then he can only start specific audio programs and can't crash 
the system (unless those programs have a bug).

Esben

  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-16  9:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-12  0:23 Jean-Marc Valin
2006-07-13 16:43 ` Lee Revell
2006-07-14  9:39   ` Jean-Marc Valin
2006-07-14 21:31     ` Esben Nielsen
2006-07-14 23:20       ` Jean-Marc Valin
2006-07-15 13:58         ` Lee Revell
2006-07-15 14:19           ` Jean-Marc Valin
2006-07-15 14:42             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-15 15:04               ` Jean-Marc Valin
2006-07-15 15:44                 ` Lee Revell
2006-07-16  0:23                   ` Jean-Marc Valin
2006-07-16 10:44                     ` Esben Nielsen [this message]
2006-07-16 10:14                       ` Jean-Marc Valin
2006-07-16 12:20                         ` Esben Nielsen
2006-07-17 11:53                           ` Jean-Marc Valin
2006-07-17 13:59                             ` Steven Rostedt
2006-07-17 14:32                               ` Jean-Marc Valin
2006-07-17 15:06                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-07-17 16:18                             ` Esben Nielsen

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