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From: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] scsi: fix sense_slab/bio swapping livelock
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 21:31:54 +0100 (BST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0804072121320.28744@blonde.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1207598115.29991.23.camel@lappy>

On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 20:40 +0100, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> > 
> > My supposition is that once a page has been allocated from __GFP_HIGH
> > reserves to a scsi sense_slab, swap_writepages are liable to gobble up
> > the rest of the page with bio allocations which they wouldn't have had
> > access to traditionally (i.e. under SLAB).
> > 
> > So an unexpected behaviour emerges from SLUB's slab merging.
> 
> Somewhere along the line of my swap over network patches I made
> 'robustified' SLAB to ensure these sorts of things could not happen - it
> came at a cost though.
> 
> It would basically fail[*] allocations that had a higher low watermark
> than what was used to allocate the current slab.
> 
> [*] - well, it would attempt to allocate a new slab to raise the current
> watermark, but failing that it would fail the allocation.

Thanks, Peter: that sounds just right to me; but a larger change than
we'd want to jump into for this one particular issue - it might have
its own unexpected consequences.

> > If we had a SLAB_NOMERGE flag, would we want to apply it to the
> > bio cache or to the scsi_sense_cache or to both?  My difficulty
> > in answering that makes me wonder whether such a flag is right.
> 
> If this is critical to avoid memory deadlocks, I would suggest using
> mempools (or my reserve framework).

No, the critical part of it has been dealt with (small fix to scsi
free_list handling: which resembles a mempool, but done its own way).

What remains is about "unsightly" behaviour, the system having a
tendency to collapse briefly into far-from-efficient operation
when out of memory.

Hugh

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-07 20:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-06 22:56 Hugh Dickins
2008-04-06 23:35 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-07  1:01   ` Hugh Dickins
2008-04-07 17:51     ` Hugh Dickins
2008-04-07 18:04       ` James Bottomley
2008-04-07 18:26         ` Hugh Dickins
2008-04-07  2:48 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-04-07 18:07   ` Hugh Dickins
2008-04-08 14:04     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-04-07  5:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-07 19:40   ` Hugh Dickins
2008-04-07 19:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-07 20:31       ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
2008-04-07 20:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-07 21:00         ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-07 21:05           ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-07 21:15             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-07 21:34               ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-07 21:39                 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-07 22:05                   ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-04-07 22:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-07 22:42                       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-08 20:42                       ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-04-08 20:44                         ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-08 20:45                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-08 21:11                           ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-08 21:40                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-07 21:30             ` Hugh Dickins
2008-04-07 21:36               ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-08 20:43     ` Christoph Lameter

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