From: Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl
To: Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl, dalecki@evision-ventures.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@transmeta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.18 IDE 73
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:43:57 +0200 (MEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <UTC200205301443.g4UEhvn20167.aeb@smtp.cwi.nl> (raw)
> Of course - improvements are always welcome.
> (But I try to be slightly more careful than you are.
> Util-linux runs on all libc's and all kernels, from libc4 to glibc2
> and from 0.99 to 2.5. So, changes must be compatible.)
Having them compatible acroess an insane range of kernels
is a nice but futile exercise.
Perhaps this partly explains why:
1. util-linux doesn't cover half of the system utilities needed on
a sanely actual Linux system.
2. The Linux vendors have to apply insane number of patches to it
util it's moderately usable.
If you do the kernel ATA stuff, I'll take care of util-linux.
(Does it need more utilities? Probably those are in some other package.
Sometimes stuff is added, but not very often. However, your suggestions
are welcome.
Do the vendors add patches? Half of that is vendor extensions, that is
their business. Half of that is their stupidity. They blindly copy the
patches other vendors apply "it is a patch - must be an improvement";
sometimes I have to reject the same buggy patch more than a dozen times.
When I ask for the reason of a patch, they don't know themselves.)
> No need to invent here. No need to do the book keeping in kernel.
>
> Some need. Things like mount-by-label want to know what partitions
> exist in order to look at the labels on each.
> Yes, we really need a list of disk-like devices.
> The gendisk chain.
No I don't see that point. Data which has to be persistant across
reboots is simple data which has to reside on disk. That's the
way it is in UNIX (PalmOS to name an example).
Maybe you never heard of mount-by-label?
Andries
next reply other threads:[~2002-05-30 14:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-05-30 14:43 Andries.Brouwer [this message]
2002-05-30 14:01 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-30 15:09 ` Rene Rebe
2002-05-31 13:25 ` Denis Vlasenko
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2002-05-30 15:56 Andries.Brouwer
2002-05-30 12:35 Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-05-30 0:19 Andries.Brouwer
2002-05-30 13:02 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-30 15:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-30 13:54 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-30 15:05 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-05-30 15:13 ` Rene Rebe
2002-05-30 15:39 ` Wichert Akkerman
2002-05-30 16:13 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-30 14:20 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-30 15:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-30 18:55 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-30 15:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-29 23:40 Andries.Brouwer
2002-05-29 22:53 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-29 18:16 Andries.Brouwer
2002-05-29 18:07 Andries.Brouwer
2002-05-29 21:57 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-29 13:59 Gerald Champagne
2002-05-29 13:03 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-29 14:26 ` Gerald Champagne
2002-05-29 14:35 ` Russell King
2002-05-29 13:40 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-29 16:33 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-05-29 15:46 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-29 18:47 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-30 8:48 ` David Woodhouse
2002-05-30 12:22 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-29 17:55 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-29 17:01 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-05-29 16:05 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-29 17:05 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-05-29 18:43 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-25 2:02 Linux-2.5.18 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-29 12:11 ` [PATCH] 2.5.18 IDE 73 Martin Dalecki
2002-05-29 12:58 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-05-29 12:52 ` Martin Dalecki
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