From: Giuliano Pochini <pochini@shiny.it>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
Subject: Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:57:19 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <XFMail.20030424125719.pochini@shiny.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304232217550.19326-100000@home.transmeta.com>
On 24-Apr-2003 Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> I'm not particularly interested in the high-flown moral issues, but
>> this DRM stuff smelled like nothing more than a transparent ploy to
>> prevent anything but bloze from booting on various boxen to me.
>
> Let's be honest - to some people that is _exactly_ what DRM is. No ifs,
> buts and maybes.
>
> And hey, the fact is (at least as far as I'm concerned), that as long as
> you make the hardware, you can control what it runs.
>
> The GPL requires that you make the software available - but it doesn't
> require that the hardware be made so that you can always upgrade it.
Free software is free. You can do anything with it, the only contraint
is it must stay free. But cryptography plays a bad role here. Someone
can make hw that accepts only that peice of signed free software. You
have the hw, you have the binaries, you have the sources. But the
sources are completely useless. GPL allows the user to modify it, but
the hw doesn't run the modified copy. DRM can turns free software into
half-proprietary software. I don't like it at all, but I don't see any
solution.
Bye.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-04-24 10:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 230+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-04-24 3:59 Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 4:40 ` Joel Jaeggli
2003-04-24 4:43 ` Greg KH
2003-04-24 4:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 5:02 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-04-24 5:39 ` viro
2003-04-24 5:56 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-24 8:46 ` Dax Kelson
2003-04-24 9:46 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-04-24 10:54 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-04-25 0:07 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-04-24 4:54 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-04-24 5:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 13:08 ` Shawn
2003-04-24 20:12 ` Kenneth Johansson
2003-04-24 17:32 ` Andreas Boman
2003-04-24 17:41 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-24 19:39 ` Balram Adlakha
2003-04-26 17:05 ` Riley Williams
2003-04-24 5:02 ` Mark J Roberts
2003-04-24 5:13 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-04-24 5:15 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-24 5:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 6:15 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-24 7:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 8:03 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-04-25 1:16 ` Jan Harkes
2003-04-25 1:35 ` Stan Bubrouski
2003-04-24 8:16 ` John Bradford
2003-04-24 8:31 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 8:59 ` John Bradford
2003-04-24 8:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 14:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 15:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-04-24 19:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-24 19:32 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 19:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 20:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 20:35 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 19:39 ` Balram Adlakha
2003-04-24 21:02 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 18:58 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-24 21:08 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:37 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 21:30 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:38 ` John Bradford
2003-04-25 3:20 ` Shawn
2003-04-25 5:47 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-25 7:02 ` John Bradford
2003-04-25 8:05 ` Simple x86 Simulator (was: Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!) Steven Augart
2003-04-25 15:38 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-25 16:10 ` John Bradford
2003-04-25 11:44 ` Antonio Vargas
2003-04-25 8:52 ` Flame Linus to a crisp! Helge Hafting
2003-04-25 14:03 ` Mike Dresser
2003-04-24 21:42 ` Russell King
2003-04-25 6:08 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-04-25 11:46 ` Antonio Vargas
2003-04-24 10:57 ` Giuliano Pochini [this message]
2003-04-24 22:51 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-04-24 7:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 8:37 ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-04-24 8:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 12:52 ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-04-24 15:37 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 18:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-24 20:46 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 20:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:03 ` Chris Adams
2003-04-24 22:29 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 22:41 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 22:54 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 0:26 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 22:41 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 14:21 ` Matthias Andree
2003-04-27 16:13 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-27 16:59 ` Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] Larry McVoy
2003-04-27 17:04 ` Ben Collins
2003-04-27 17:34 ` Michael Buesch
2003-04-27 18:41 ` Henrik Persson
2003-04-27 17:35 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-04-27 17:49 ` Mirar
2003-04-27 23:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-27 17:59 ` Michael Buesch
2003-04-27 21:28 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-28 1:48 ` rmoser
2003-04-28 9:05 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-04-28 10:44 ` The X-Window System John Bradford
2003-04-28 14:37 ` Herman Oosthuysen
2003-04-28 16:28 ` uaca
2003-05-06 3:55 ` Miles Bader
2003-04-27 18:07 ` Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-27 18:35 ` Chris Adams
2003-04-27 18:50 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-27 19:11 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-04-27 20:13 ` Frank van Maarseveen
2003-04-27 20:34 ` walt
2003-04-27 21:26 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 22:07 ` Ross Vandegrift
2003-04-27 22:32 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-27 22:05 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 23:28 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 0:06 ` Ross Vandegrift
2003-04-28 11:03 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-29 18:06 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-28 9:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-04-28 14:55 ` Michael Buesch
2003-04-28 20:04 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-28 20:18 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 20:22 ` Chris Adams
2003-04-28 21:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 21:40 ` Roman Zippel
2003-04-28 22:13 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-28 22:16 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-29 0:09 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-29 4:07 ` Dax Kelson
2003-04-29 5:08 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-29 16:40 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-04-29 21:45 ` Helge Hafting
2003-04-30 9:58 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-30 15:06 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-04-29 5:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-04-29 16:41 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-04-29 14:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 22:34 ` Matthias Andree
2003-04-27 22:51 ` Matthew Kirkwood
2003-04-27 23:53 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 0:00 ` rmoser
[not found] ` <20030428001001.GP23068@work.bitmover.com>
2003-04-28 0:19 ` rmoser
2003-04-28 0:37 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 0:40 ` rmoser
2003-04-28 11:38 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-04-29 14:21 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-29 14:27 ` Henrik Persson
2003-04-29 19:56 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-29 20:35 ` Henrik Persson
2003-04-30 8:39 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-27 18:47 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-27 18:56 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-27 19:20 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-27 21:30 ` Jon Portnoy
2003-04-27 21:32 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 22:36 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-27 21:56 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 23:08 ` Matthew Kirkwood
2003-04-27 22:16 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 23:35 ` Matthias Andree
2003-04-27 22:07 ` Matthias Andree
2003-04-28 0:36 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-04-28 9:57 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-05-06 15:58 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-05-07 14:44 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-05-07 14:28 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-07 21:40 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-05-07 22:16 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-08 0:33 ` Kurt Wall
2003-04-28 11:26 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-05-06 15:59 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-04-28 22:50 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-29 14:46 ` Jeffrey Souza
2003-04-29 15:16 ` venom
2003-04-30 9:35 ` Jamie Lokier
[not found] ` <20030427171007$6d24@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-04-27 20:08 ` Why DRM exists Florian Weimer
2003-04-24 19:23 ` Flame Linus to a crisp! Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 19:50 ` Balram Adlakha
2003-04-24 8:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-04-24 9:19 ` Russell King
2003-04-24 11:38 ` Shachar Shemesh
2003-04-24 17:46 ` Shachar Shemesh
2003-04-24 14:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 12:39 ` Mark Mielke
2003-04-24 15:53 ` Elladan
2003-04-24 18:31 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-24 23:15 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 11:28 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-04-27 1:31 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-27 1:59 ` David Wagner
2003-04-25 14:37 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-25 15:17 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-25 17:37 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-26 21:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-26 13:00 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-26 18:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-26 18:41 ` viro
2003-04-26 18:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-28 14:20 ` John Stoffel
2003-04-26 19:23 ` Michael Buesch
2003-04-28 10:35 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-04-28 12:12 ` Jörn Engel
2003-04-28 14:01 ` Zack Gilburd
2003-04-28 14:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-26 18:21 ` Rik van Riel
2003-04-26 23:34 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-27 3:59 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 20:16 ` Nils Holland
2003-04-25 4:46 ` My take on Trusted Computing and DRM Joseph Pingenot
[not found] <20030424041004$113a@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-04-24 4:53 ` Flame Linus to a crisp! Tony 'Nicoya' Mantler
2003-04-24 12:36 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-24 14:12 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 22:48 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 12:29 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2003-04-25 15:45 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 20:39 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-24 21:28 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-24 22:45 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-24 23:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-25 9:07 ` Helge Hafting
2003-04-25 13:01 ` David Luyer
2003-04-25 8:13 ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-04-25 19:12 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-25 20:56 ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-04-25 21:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:55 Daniel Callahan
2003-04-24 22:10 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-24 22:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-25 12:23 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-25 12:36 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-27 7:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-04-25 12:41 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-25 12:57 Downing, Thomas
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304232012400.19176-100000@home.transmeta.co m>
2003-04-27 10:52 ` Houston, I think we have a problem Mike Galbraith
2003-04-27 14:41 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-27 17:25 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-04-27 17:29 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-27 17:41 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-04-27 17:54 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-04-28 5:17 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-04-28 6:15 ` Jan Harkes
2003-04-28 9:30 Flame Linus to a crisp! Martin_List-Petersen
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