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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Ricardo Neri <ricardo.neri-calderon@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Ricardo Neri <ricardo.neri@intel.com>,
	"Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Tim C . Chen" <tim.c.chen@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 08/23] sched/fair: Compute task-class performance scores for load balancing
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 10:55:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y1j170UQc5DJPYgR@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221026035724.GA21523@ranerica-svr.sc.intel.com>

On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 08:57:24PM -0700, Ricardo Neri wrote:

> Do you want me to add your Signed-off-by and Co-developed-by tags?

Nah; who cares ;-)


> > @@ -8749,32 +8747,18 @@ static void compute_ilb_sg_task_class_sc
> >  	if (!busy_cpus)
> >  		return;
> >  
> > -	score_on_dst_cpu = arch_get_task_class_score(class_sgs->p_min_score->class,
> > -						     dst_cpu);
> > +	score_on_dst_cpu = arch_get_task_class_score(sgcs->min_class, dst_cpu);
> >  
> > -	/*
> > -	 * The simpest case. The single busy CPU in the current group will
> > -	 * become idle after pulling its current task. The destination CPU is
> > -	 * idle.
> > -	 */
> > -	if (busy_cpus == 1) {
> > -		sgs->task_class_score_before = class_sgs->sum_score;
> > -		sgs->task_class_score_after = score_on_dst_cpu;
> > -		return;
> > -	}
> > +	before = sgcs->sum_score
> > +	after  = before - sgcs->min_score + score_on_dst_cpu;
> 
> This works when the sched group being evaluated has only one busy CPU
> because it will become idle if the destination CPU (which was idle) pulls
> the current task.
> 
> >  
> > -	/*
> > -	 * Now compute the group score with and without the task with the
> > -	 * lowest score. We assume that the tasks that remain in the group share
> > -	 * the CPU resources equally.
> > -	 */
> > -	group_score = class_sgs->sum_score / busy_cpus;
> > -
> > -	group_score_without =  (class_sgs->sum_score - class_sgs->min_score) /
> > -			       (busy_cpus - 1);
> > +	if (busy_cpus > 1) {
> > +		before /= busy_cpus;
> > +		after  /= busy_cpus;
> 
> 
> However, I don't think this works when the sched group has more than one
> busy CPU. 'before' and 'after' reflect the total throughput score of both
> the sched group *and* the destination CPU.
> 
> One of the CPUs in the sched group will become idle after the balance.
> 
> Also, at this point we have already added score_on_dst_cpu. We are incorrectly
> scaling it by the number of busy CPUs in the sched group.
> 
> We instead must scale 'after' by busy_cpus - 1 and then add score_on_dst_cpu.

So none of that makes sense.

'x/n + y' != '(x+y)/(n+1)'

IOW:

> > +	}
> >  
> > -	sgs->task_class_score_after = group_score_without + score_on_dst_cpu;
> > -	sgs->task_class_score_before = group_score;
> > +	sgs->task_class_score_before = before;
> > +	sgs->task_class_score_after  = after;

your task_class_score_after is a sum value for 2 cpus worth, not a value
for a single cpu, while your task_class_score_before is a single cpu
average. You can't compare these numbers and have a sensible outcome.

If you have a number of values: x_1....x_n, their average is
Sum(x_1...x_n) / n, which is a single value again.

If you want to update one of the x's, say x_i->x'_i, then the average
changes like:

	Sum(x_1...x_n-x_i+x'_i) / n

If you want to remove one of the x's, then you get:

	Sum(x_1...x_n-x_i) / (n-1) ; 0<i<n

if you want to add an x:

	Sum(x_1...x_n+i_i) / (n+1) ; i>n

Nowhere would you ever get:

	Sum(x_1...x_n) / n + x_i

That's just straight up nonsense.

So I might buy an argument for:

	if (busy_cpus > 1) {
		before /= (busy_cpus-1);
		after  /= (busy_cpus+1);
	}

Or something along those lines (where you remove an entry from before
and add it to after), but not this.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-26  8:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-09 23:11 [RFC PATCH 00/23] sched: Introduce classes of tasks for load balance Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 01/23] sched/task_struct: Introduce classes of tasks Ricardo Neri
2022-09-14 13:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-16 14:41     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27 13:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-02 22:32         ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 02/23] sched: Add interfaces for " Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 03/23] sched/core: Initialize the class of a new task Ricardo Neri
2022-09-26 14:57   ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-26 21:53     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27 13:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-27 15:48       ` Joel Fernandes
2022-10-01 20:32       ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 04/23] sched/core: Add user_tick as argument to scheduler_tick() Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 05/23] sched/core: Move is_core_idle() out of fair.c Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 06/23] sched/core: Update the classification of the current task Ricardo Neri
2022-09-14 13:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-16 14:42     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 07/23] sched/fair: Collect load-balancing stats for task classes Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 08/23] sched/fair: Compute task-class performance scores for load balancing Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27  9:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-26  3:57     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-10-26  8:55       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2022-10-27  3:30         ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 09/23] sched/fair: Use task-class performance score to pick the busiest group Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27 11:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-05 23:38     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-10-06  8:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-06 19:07         ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 10/23] sched/fair: Use classes of tasks when selecting a busiest runqueue Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27 11:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-07 23:36     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 11/23] thermal: intel: hfi: Introduce Hardware Feedback Interface classes Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 12/23] thermal: intel: hfi: Convert table_lock to use flags-handling variants Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27 11:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-27 11:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-26  3:59       ` Ricardo Neri
2022-10-26  3:58     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 13/23] x86/cpufeatures: Add the Intel Thread Director feature definitions Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 14/23] thermal: intel: hfi: Update the class of the current task Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27 11:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-07 20:34     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 15/23] thermal: intel: hfi: Report per-cpu class-specific performance scores Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27 11:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-05 23:59     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-10-06  8:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-06  9:14         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-06 15:05           ` Brown, Len
2022-10-06 16:14             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-07 11:20               ` Len Brown
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 16/23] thermal: intel: hfi: Define a default classification for unclassified tasks Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 17/23] thermal: intel: hfi: Enable the Intel Thread Director Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27 12:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-06  1:50     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 18/23] sched/task_struct: Add helpers for task classification Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27 11:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-08  0:38     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 19/23] sched/core: Initialize helpers of " Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 20/23] thermal: intel: hfi: Implement model-specific checks for " Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 21/23] x86/cpufeatures: Add feature bit for HRESET Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 22/23] x86/hreset: Configure history reset Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27 12:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-02 22:34     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-09 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 23/23] x86/process: Reset hardware history in context switch Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27 12:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-03 23:07     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-10-06  8:35       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-06 22:55         ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27 12:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-02 22:02     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-09-27 13:15   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-10-02 22:12     ` Ricardo Neri
2022-10-02 22:15       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-10-03 19:49         ` Ricardo Neri
2022-10-03 19:55           ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found] ` <20220910072120.2651-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2022-09-16 14:51   ` [RFC PATCH 06/23] sched/core: Update the classification of the current task Ricardo Neri
2022-10-11 19:12 ` Trying to apply patch set Carlos Bilbao
2022-10-18  2:31   ` Ricardo Neri

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