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From: Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, x86 <x86@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Alison Schofield <alison.schofield@intel.com>,
	Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>,
	Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	Stefan Talpalaru <stefantalpalaru@yahoo.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"Benjamin Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zilstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Cooper <Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 Part2 2/5] x86/microcode/intel: Add minimum required revision to microcode header
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 14:34:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y8nFk/0D4XVPOx5a@a4bf019067fa.jf.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <873586i3ml.ffs@tglx>

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 11:03:14PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 13 2023 at 09:29, Ashok Raj wrote:
> > In general users don't have the necessary information to determine
> > whether a late loading of a new microcode version has removed any feature
> > (MSR, CPUID etc) between what is currently loaded and this new microcode.
> 
> s/this new microcode/a newer microcode revision/

Yes.

> 
> > To address this issue, Intel has added a "minimum required version" field
> > to a previously reserved field in the file header. Microcode updates
> 
> s/file header/microcode header/ perhaps?

Yep!
> 
> > should only be applied if the current microcode version is equal
> > to, or greater than this minimum required version.
> >
> > Thomas made some suggestions[1] on how meta-data in the microcode file
> > could provide Linux with information to decide if the new microcode is
> > suitable candidate for late loading. But even the "simpler" option#1
> > requires a lot of metadata and corresponding kernel code to parse it.
> >
> > The proposal here is an even simpler option.
> 
> IIRC this was also suggested by this Thomas dude, right?

Same dude.. might have been your twin :-)

I'll fix it.

> 
> > Simply "OS visible features" such as CPUID and MSRs are the only two
> > examples. The microcode must not change these OS visible features
> > because they cause problems after late loading. When microcode changes
> > features, microcode will change the min_rev to prevent such microcodes
> > from being late loaded.
> >
> > Pseudo code for late loading is as follows:
> >
> > if header.min_required_id == 0
> >         This is old format microcode, block late loading
> > else if current_ucode_version < header.min_required_id
> >         Current version is too old, block late loading of this microcode.
> > else
> >         OK to proceed with late loading.
> >
> > Any microcode that modifies the interface to an OS-visible feature
> > will set the min_version to itself. This will enforce this microcode is
> > not suitable for late loading unless the currently loaded revision is
> > greater or equal to the new microcode affecting the change.
> 
> Up to this paragraph the changelog made sense.
> 
> If the currently loaded revision is the same as the to be loaded
> revision, then there is nothing to do.
> 
> If the currently loaded revision is greater than the to be loaded
> revision then it is not loaded as the kernel does not support
> downgrading in the first place.
> 
> Even if it would support downgrading then this would be outright wrong
> for this case:
> 
> Rev:        10
> Min-Rev:    10
> 
> Rev:        20
> Min-Rev:    20
> 
> If Rev 20 is loaded, then you absolutely cannot load Rev 10 because that
> would have the reverse side effects due to which Rev 20 prevents late
> loading.
> 
> See?

Yes, that's accurate, and in sprit it works that way.

The current_rev > mc_hdr->rev is done in apply_microcode_intel() but I
suppose we could do that check early. 

I didn't touch those parts to make sure only minimal changes were done and
we can do cleanup's later.  I should certainly add a note to make sure we
aren't breaking the rev is always greater than what's in the CPU for
clarity.

I do have several cleanups lined up, but didn't want to hold the minrev and
the nmi series.

Cheers,
Ashok

  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-19 22:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-13 17:29 [PATCH v1 Part2 0/5] Declare safe late loadable microcode Ashok Raj
2023-01-13 17:29 ` [PATCH v1 Part2 1/5] x86/microcode: Move late load warning to the same function that taints kernel Ashok Raj
2023-01-19 21:48   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-01-19 22:05     ` Ashok Raj
2023-01-13 17:29 ` [PATCH v1 Part2 2/5] x86/microcode/intel: Add minimum required revision to microcode header Ashok Raj
2023-01-19 22:03   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-01-19 22:34     ` Ashok Raj [this message]
2023-01-13 17:29 ` [PATCH v1 Part2 3/5] x86/microcode: Add a generic mechanism to declare support for minrev Ashok Raj
2023-01-20  0:15   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-01-20  2:19     ` Ashok Raj
2023-01-21 21:35     ` [Part 2 v2[cleanup] 0/4] Some additional cleanups in microcode Ashok Raj
2023-01-21 21:35       ` [Part 2 v2[cleanup] 1/4] x86/microcode: Taint kernel only if microcode loading was successful Ashok Raj
2023-01-21 21:35       ` [Part 2 v2[cleanup] 2/4] x86/microcode: Report invalid writes to reload sysfs file Ashok Raj
2023-01-21 21:35       ` [Part 2 v2[cleanup] 3/4] x86/microcode/intel: Fix collect_cpu_info() to reflect current microcode Ashok Raj
2023-01-21 21:35       ` [Part 2 v2[cleanup] 4/4] x86/microcode: Do not call apply_microde() on sibling threads Ashok Raj
2023-01-22  3:36         ` Ashok Raj
2023-01-26 16:52       ` [Part 2 v2[cleanup] 0/4] Some additional cleanups in microcode Ashok Raj
2023-01-27 13:49         ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-13 17:29 ` [PATCH v1 Part2 4/5] x86/microcode/intel: Drop wbinvd() from microcode loading Ashok Raj
2023-01-13 17:29 ` [PATCH v1 Part2 5/5] x86/microcode: Provide an option to override minrev enforcement Ashok Raj

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