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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huaweicloud.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
	Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huawei.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, will <will@kernel.org>,
	"boqun.feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>, npiggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	dhowells <dhowells@redhat.com>, "j.alglave" <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
	"luc.maranget" <luc.maranget@inria.fr>, akiyks <akiyks@gmail.com>,
	dlustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>, joel <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	urezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	quic_neeraju <quic_neeraju@quicinc.com>,
	frederic <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Patch 2/2] tools/memory-model: Provide exact SRCU semantics
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 11:02:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y9KkLHWzuIQ8sDwq@rowland.harvard.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <edadb690-e791-0e9c-e641-ea8876abe96e@huaweicloud.com>

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 12:30:14PM +0100, Jonas Oberhauser wrote:
> 
> 
> On 1/25/2023 11:52 PM, Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 10:04:29PM +0100, Jonas Oberhauser wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 1/25/2023 9:21 PM, Alan Stern wrote:
> > > >    (* Validate nesting *)
> > > >    flag ~empty Srcu-lock \ domain(srcu-rscs) as unmatched-srcu-lock
> > > >    flag ~empty Srcu-unlock \ range(srcu-rscs) as unmatched-srcu-unlock
> > > > +flag ~empty (srcu-rscs^-1 ; srcu-rscs) \ id as multiple-srcu-matches
> > > [...]
> > > >    // SRCU
> > > > -srcu_read_lock(X)  __srcu{srcu-lock}(X)
> > > > -srcu_read_unlock(X,Y) { __srcu{srcu-unlock}(X,Y); }
> > > > +srcu_read_lock(X) __load{srcu-lock}(*X)
> > > > +srcu_read_unlock(X,Y) { __store{srcu-unlock}(*X,Y); }
> > > > +srcu_down_read(X) __load{srcu-lock}(*X)
> > > > +srcu_up_read(X,Y) { __store{srcu-unlock}(*X,Y); }
> > > How do you feel about introducing Srcu-up and Srcu-down with this patch?
> > Why invent new classes for them?  They are literally the same operation
> > as Srcu-lock and Srcu-unlock; the only difference is how the kernel's
> > lockdep checker treats them.
> I don't think they're necessarily implemented in a compatible way, so
> 
> r = srcu_lock(s);
> srcu_up(s,r);
> 
> might not actually work, but would currently be ok'ed by LKMM.

I'll let Paul answer this.

>  With
> different classes you could state
>   flag ~empty [Srcu-lock];srcu-rscs;[Srcu-up] as srcu-mismatch-lock-to-up
>   flag ~empty [Srcu-down];srcu-rscs;[Srcu-unlock] as
> srcu-mismatch-down-to-unlock
> 
> I think with the current implementation this code might work, but I don't
> feel like this is inherently true.
> 
> You could then also go ahead and define the "same CPU" requirement as a flag
> for lock and unlock specifically, like
>   flag ~empty [Srcu-lock];srcu-rscs & ext as srcu-lock-unlock-mismatch-CPU
> or so.

Bear in mind that the herd7 model is not obliged to find and warn about 
all possible bugs in a litmus test.  Especially if the same code would 
generate a warning or error when run in the kernel.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-26 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-25 20:19 [PATCH 0/2] SRCU changes for the Linux Kernel Memory Model Alan Stern
2023-01-25 20:20 ` [Patch 1/2] tools/memory-model: Update some warning labels Alan Stern
2023-01-25 20:21   ` [Patch 2/2] tools/memory-model: Provide exact SRCU semantics Alan Stern
2023-01-25 21:04     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-25 21:58       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-25 22:52       ` Alan Stern
2023-01-26 11:30         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-26 16:02           ` Alan Stern [this message]
2023-01-26 16:31             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-26 17:35           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-26 19:10             ` Alan Stern
2023-01-26 19:31               ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-02-01 10:31     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-25 20:35   ` [Patch 1/2] tools/memory-model: Update some warning labels Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-25 22:01     ` Paul E. McKenney

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