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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>
Cc: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH next v1 1/3] printk: track/limit recursion
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:07:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YFiyyWnROBD29tC5@alley> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YFh770T97jwQLRKu@google.com>

On Mon 2021-03-22 20:13:51, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> On (21/03/22 11:53), John Ogness wrote:
> > On 2021-03-21, Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org> wrote:
> > >> @@ -2055,6 +2122,9 @@ int vprintk_store(int facility, int level,
> > >>  	 */
> > >>  	ts_nsec = local_clock();
> > >>  
> > >> +	if (!printk_enter_irqsave(&irqflags))
> > >> +		return 0;
> > >
> > > I guess it can be interesting to somehow signal us that we had
> > > printk() recursion overflow, and how many messages we lost.
> > 
> > Honestly, if we hit 3 levels of recursion, we are probably dealing with
> > an infinite recursion issue.
> 
> I tend to agree.
> 
> > I do not see the value of counting the overflows in that case. The
> > logged messages at that recursion level would ben enough to point
> > us to the problem.
> >
> > > 3 levels of recursion seem like reasonable limit, but I maybe wouldn't
> > > mind one extra level.
> >
> > With 3 levels, we will see all the messages of:
> >
> >     printk -> WARN_ON -> WARN_ON -> WARN_ON

This is the worst case. Many messages are just a single line or
we use WARN_ON_ONCE.


> Well, not necessarily this simple.
> 
> printk
>  vsprintf
>   handle_foo_specifier
>    printk
>     call_console_drivers
>      timekeeping
>       printk
>        vsprintf
> 
> We saw in the past that enabling CONFIG_DEBUG_OBJECTS (if I'm not
> mistaken) can add quite a bit of extra printk recursion paths.
> 
> We also have other CONFIG_DEBUG_* config options that can pop up as
> recursive printk-s here and there. For instance, from vsprintf::foo_specifier()
> where we escape from printk() to various kernel subsystems: net, block,
> etc.
> 
> Maybe sometimes on level 3+ we'll see something interesting,
> but I've no strong opinion on this.

Honestly, my first reaction was the same as Sergey's. But John has
a point that too many levels might be hard to read.

I think that 3 levels are a good start. We could always change it when we
hit a problem in practice.

> > Keep in mind that each additional level causes the reading of the logs
> > to be significantly more complex. Each level increases the output
> > exponentially:
> 
> Yes, I realize that. That's why I suggested that maybe recursive
> printk-s can have some special extra prefix. Recursive printk-s
> will interleave with whatever is being printed on this_cpu, so
> prefix might be helpful.

This is an interesting area, definitely. I am not sure if it is worth
it though.

I would keep it simple and cut output on 3rd level for now. We could
always improve it when we hit a problem in the real life.

Best Regards,
Petr

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-22 15:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-16 23:33 [PATCH next v1 0/3] printk: remove safe buffers John Ogness
2021-03-16 23:33 ` [PATCH next v1 1/3] printk: track/limit recursion John Ogness
2021-03-21  5:34   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-03-22 10:53     ` John Ogness
2021-03-22 11:13       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-03-22 15:07         ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2021-03-22 14:49   ` Petr Mladek
2021-03-23 21:32     ` John Ogness
2021-03-24  8:41       ` Petr Mladek
2021-03-16 23:33 ` [PATCH next v1 2/3] printk: remove safe buffers John Ogness
2021-03-21  5:26   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-03-22 11:16     ` John Ogness
2021-03-22 18:02       ` Petr Mladek
2021-03-22 21:58         ` John Ogness
2021-03-23  9:46           ` Petr Mladek
2021-03-23 10:47   ` Petr Mladek
2021-03-26 11:12     ` John Ogness
2021-03-29 10:04       ` Petr Mladek
2021-03-29 15:10         ` John Ogness
2021-03-29 15:13           ` John Ogness
2021-03-16 23:33 ` [PATCH next v1 3/3] printk: convert @syslog_lock to spin_lock John Ogness
2021-03-23 12:01   ` Petr Mladek
2021-03-26 11:23     ` John Ogness

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