From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: David Malcolm <dmalcolm@redhat.com>
Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
linux-toolchains@vger.kernel.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
Jason Baron <jbaron@akamai.com>,
"Steven Rostedt (VMware)" <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: static_branch/jump_label vs branch merging
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 22:09:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YHC0dgwhYS9hKcRT@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0a9da587b0330bafdf612c3d51285e144b0b9e46.camel@redhat.com>
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 03:21:49PM -0400, David Malcolm wrote:
> [Caveat: I'm a gcc developer, not a kernel expert]
>
> But it's not *quite* a global constant, or presumably you would be
> simply using a global constant, right? As the optimizer gets smarter,
> you don't want to have it one day decide that actually it really is
> constant, and optimize away everything at compile-time (e.g. when LTO
> is turned on, or whatnot).
Right; as I said, the result is not a constant, but any invocation ever,
will return the same result. Small but subtle difference :-)
> I get the impression that you're resorting to assembler because you're
> pushing beyond what the C language can express.
Of course :-) I tend to always push waaaaay past what C considers sane.
Lets say I'm firmly in the C-as-Optimizing-Assembler camp :-)
> Taking things to a slightly higher level, am I right in thinking that
> what you're trying to achieve is a control flow construct that almost
> always takes one of the given branches, but which can (very rarely) be
> switched to permanently take one of the other branches, and that you
> want the lowest possible overhead for the common case where the
> control flow hasn't been touched yet?
Correct, that's what it is. We do runtime code patching to flip the
branch if/when needed. We've been doing this for many many years now.
The issue of today is all this clever stuff defeating some simple
optimizations.
> (and presumably little overhead for when it
> has been?)... and that you want to be able to merge repeated such
> conditionals.
This.. So the 'static' branches have been upstream and in use ever since
GCC added asm-goto, it was in fact the driving force to get asm-goto
implemented. This was 2010 according to git history.
So we emit, using asm goto, either a "NOP5" or "JMP.d32" (x86 speaking),
and a special section entry into which we encode the key address and the
instruction address and the jump target.
GCC, not knowing what the asm does, only sees the 2 edges and all is
well.
Then, at runtime, when we decide we want the other edge for a given key,
we iterate our section and rewrite the code to either nop5 or jmp.d32
with the correct jump target.
> It's kind of the opposite of "volatile" - something that the user is
> happy for the compiler to treat as not changing much, as opposed to
> something the user is warning the compiler about changing from under
> it. A "const-ish" value?
Just so. Encoded in text, not data.
> Sorry if I'm being incoherent; I'm kind of thinking aloud here.
No problem, we're way outside of what is generally considered normal,
and I did somewhat assume people were familiar with our 'dodgy'
construct (some on this list are more than others).
I hope it's all a little clearer now.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-04-09 20:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-04-08 16:52 Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-09 9:57 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2021-04-09 10:55 ` Florian Weimer
2021-04-09 11:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-09 19:33 ` Nick Desaulniers
2021-04-09 20:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-10 17:02 ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-04-09 11:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-09 11:55 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-09 12:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-09 13:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-09 13:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-09 13:48 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-09 18:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-09 19:21 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-09 20:09 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-04-09 21:07 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-09 21:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-22 11:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-22 17:08 ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-04-22 17:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-22 18:31 ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-04-26 17:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-10 12:44 ` David Laight
2021-04-09 13:03 ` Segher Boessenkool
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