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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Arvind Sankar <nivedita@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/4] x86/entry/nmi: Switch to the entry stack before switching to the thread stack
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 13:00:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YNW3O1YxZx9XkZqU@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YNWytd64PzMwZKQX@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 12:40:53PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 08:13:15PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 01 2021 at 14:52, Lai Jiangshan wrote:
> > > > From: Lai Jiangshan <laijs@linux.alibaba.com>
> > > >
> > > > Current kernel has no code to enforce data breakpoint not on the thread
> > > > stack.  If there is any data breakpoint on the top area of the thread
> > > > stack, there might be problem.
> > > 
> > > And because the kernel does not prevent data breakpoints on the thread
> > > stack we need to do more complicated things in the already horrible
> > > entry code instead of just doing the obvious and preventing data
> > > breakpoints on the thread stack?
> > 
> > Preventing breakpoints on the thread stack is a bit messy: it’s
> > possible for a breakpoint to be set before the address in question is
> > allocated for the thread stack.
> 
> How about we call into C from the entry stack and have the from-user
> stack swizzle there. The from-kernel entries land on the ISTs and those
> are already excluded.
> 
> > None of this is NMI-specific. #DB itself has the same problem.  We
> > could plausibly solve it differently by disarming breakpoints in the
> > entry asm before switching stacks. I’m not sure how much I like that
> > approach.
> 
> I'm not sure I see how, from-user #DB already doesn't clear DR7, and if
> we recurse, we'll get a from-kernel trap, which will land on the IST,
> whcih is excluded, and then we clear DR7 there.
> 
> IST and entry stack are excluded, the only problem we have is thread
> stack, and that can be solved by calling into C from the entry stack.
> 
> I should put teaching objtool about .data references from .noinstr.text
> and .entry.text higher on the todo list I suppose ...

Also, I think we can run the from-user exceptions on the entry stack,
without ever switching to the kernel stack, except for #PF, which is
magical and schedules.

Same for SYSCALL, leave switching to the thread stack until C, somewhere
late, right before we'd enable IRQs or something.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-25 11:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-01  6:52 [RFC PATCH 0/4] x86/entry/nmi: solidify userspace NMI entry Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-01  6:52 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] x86/entry/nmi: Switch to the entry stack before switching to the thread stack Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-01 17:05   ` Steven Rostedt
2021-06-02  0:09     ` Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-02  0:16     ` Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-19 22:51   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-20  3:13     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-20 11:23       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-25 10:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-25 11:00         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-06-26  7:03           ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-26  8:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-01  6:52 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] x86/entry/nmi: Use normal idtentry macro for NMI from userspace Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-03 17:36   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-01  6:52 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] x86/entry: Remove parameter rdx from macro PUSH_AND_CLEAR_REGS and PUSH_REGS Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-01  6:52 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] x86/entry/nmi: unmask NMIs on userspace NMI when entry debugging Lai Jiangshan
2021-06-03 17:38   ` Andy Lutomirski

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