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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	ssouhlal@freebsd.org, joelaf@google.com,
	senozhatsky@chromium.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] KVM: Support Heterogeneous RT VCPU Configurations.
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 10:10:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YQEQ9zdlBrgpOukj@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210728073700.120449-1-suleiman@google.com>

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 04:36:58PM +0900, Suleiman Souhlal wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> This series attempts to solve some issues that arise from
> having some VCPUs be real-time while others aren't.
> 
> We are trying to play media inside a VM on a desktop environment
> (Chromebooks), which requires us to have some tasks in the guest
> be serviced at real-time priority on the host so that the media
> can be played smoothly.
> 
> To achieve this, we give a VCPU real-time priority on the host
> and use isolcpus= to ensure that only designated tasks are allowed
> to run on the RT VCPU.

WTH do you need isolcpus for that? What's wrong with cpusets?

> In order to avoid priority inversions (for example when the RT
> VCPU preempts a non-RT that's holding a lock that it wants to
> acquire), we dedicate a host core to the RT vcpu: Only the RT
> VCPU is allowed to run on that CPU, while all the other non-RT
> cores run on all the other host CPUs.
> 
> This approach works on machines that have a large enough number
> of CPUs where it's possible to dedicate a whole CPU for this,
> but we also have machines that only have 2 CPUs and doing this
> on those is too costly.
> 
> This patch series makes it possible to have a RT VCPU without
> having to dedicate a whole host core for it.
> It does this by making it so that non-RT VCPUs can't be
> preempted if they are in a critical section, which we
> approximate as having interrupts disabled or non-zero
> preempt_count. Once the VCPU is found to not be in a critical
> section anymore, it will give up the CPU.
> There measures to ensure that preemption isn't delayed too
> many times.
> 
> (I realize that the hooks in the scheduler aren't very
> tasteful, but I couldn't figure out a better way.
> SVM support will be added when sending the patch for
> inclusion.)
> 
> Feedback or alternatives are appreciated.

This is disguisting and completely wrecks the host scheduling. You're
placing guest over host, that's fundamentally wrong.

NAK!

If you want co-ordinated RT scheduling, look at paravirtualized deadline
scheduling.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-07-28  8:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-28  7:36 Suleiman Souhlal
2021-07-28  7:36 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] kvm,x86: Support heterogeneous RT VCPU configurations Suleiman Souhlal
2021-07-28  8:15   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-07-28  7:37 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] kvm,x86: Report preempt_count to host Suleiman Souhlal
2021-07-28  8:18   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2021-07-28  8:10 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-07-28 10:32   ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] KVM: Support Heterogeneous RT VCPU Configurations Marcelo Tosatti
2021-07-28 10:37     ` Suleiman Souhlal
2021-07-28 10:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-07-30  9:09   ` Suleiman Souhlal

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