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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Nikita Yushchenko <nikita.yoush@cogentembedded.com>
Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert+renesas@glider.be>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	Kieran Bingham <kieran.bingham+renesas@ideasonboard.com>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] arm64: dts: renesas: r8a77961: Add lvds0 device node
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 00:19:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Ycze8wzD3Qi8YVAa@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bb6ef732-7cd2-5ba9-0eef-caf2fbfbf829@cogentembedded.com>

Hi Nikito,

On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 12:12:04AM +0300, Nikita Yushchenko wrote:
>   Endpoints are meant to model a link between two ports, so an endpoint
> > shouldn't exist in isolation. The issue with creating named endpoints in
> > SoC files is that you can't tell there what remote devices may exist, so
> > the endpoint may or may not match the actual hardware design of a board.
> > I think it's better to create endpoints on both sides together in
> > overlays.
> > 
> > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-renesas-soc/20211229193135.28767-2-laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com/T/#t
> 
> What I don't like here is: details of particular SoC (such as "panel gets video from port@1 of &lvds1) 
> leak into per-panel DT fragment.
> 
> This limits possibilities to share DT fragments between different use cases. In the patch pointed by the 
> above URL, you have to reference both board and panel in the dts file name.
>
> I'd prefer to make each DT fragment to use only either entities defined in that fragment itself, or 
> defined "interface entities" between this and "neighbor" DT fragment.
> 
> Such as:
> - SoC's DT fragment defines a named port/endpoint to export video stream at
> - board's DT fragment defines a named panel node corresponding to panel plugged into board's physical 
> connector, and connects endpoints with SoC's video export,
> - panel's DT fragment extends the panel node from board with video mode information for this particular 
> panel.
> 
> And similar for backlight, power, and whatever else exposed on the physical panel connector.
> 
> So for the board's physical connector there is a set of board-DT-provided entities for use by DT 
> fragment of whatever component plugged to the connector, without direct references to final SoC 
> interfaces. And possibility to reuse DT fragments between boards, and probably have a library of DT 
> fragments for hardware currently available in the market, usable with different boards where that 
> hardware can be connected.

I agree it's annoying, but we'll have a similar problem, just the other
way around, with an endpoint defined in the SoC dtsi. Many R-Car SoCs
have two LVDS encoders, and you can attach a panel to either of them.
Some boards use LVDS0, some boards use LVDS1, and some boards could even
use both.

A real solution for this problem will require a new concept. The "DT
connector" proposal is related to this problem space. There's also a
proprietary implementation in the Rapsberry Pi boot loader of a
mechanism to support parametrized overlays ([2] and [3], or [4] for an
example of how a panel reset or backlight GPIO can be parametrized).

[1] https://lwn.net/Articles/689783/
[2] https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/configuration.html#part3
[3] https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/overlays/README#L122
[4] https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/overlays/README#L312

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-29 22:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-24  5:23 [PATCH 0/3] add R-Car M3-W+ (r8a99761) LVDS encoder support Nikita Yushchenko
2021-12-24  5:23 ` [PATCH 1/3] drm: rcar-du: lvds: Add r8a77961 support Nikita Yushchenko
2021-12-29 16:53   ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-12-24  5:23 ` [PATCH 2/3] arm64: dts: renesas: r8a77961: Add lvds0 device node Nikita Yushchenko
2021-12-29 16:56   ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-12-29 17:04     ` Nikita Yushchenko
2021-12-29 17:13       ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-12-29 17:19         ` Nikita Yushchenko
2021-12-29 19:33           ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-12-29 21:12             ` Nikita Yushchenko
2021-12-29 22:19               ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2021-12-30  5:30                 ` Nikita Yushchenko
2021-12-30 17:11                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-01-12 21:10         ` Nikita Yushchenko
2022-01-13  9:01           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-10  8:43     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-10  8:51       ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-01-10  8:52   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-10  9:51     ` Nikita Yushchenko
2022-01-10  9:55       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-12-24  5:23 ` [PATCH 3/3] dt-bindings: display: bridge: renesas,lvds: Document r8a77961 bindings Nikita Yushchenko
2021-12-29 16:46   ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-03-02 17:00     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-03-03  9:14       ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-03-04 12:20         ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-01-04 20:19   ` Rob Herring

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