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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] random: Don't reset crng_init_cnt on urandom_read()
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:38:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YdMmnnAkLpk81mYN@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHmME9otnT=XeMPGYW5H8TOu9aLxxKi6_gT-Fnvh5Jy+WM-HGA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 03, 2022 at 05:03:57PM +0100, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 4:59 PM Jann Horn <jannh@google.com> wrote:
> > This code was inconsistent, and it probably made things worse - just get
> > rid of it.
> 
> Rather than adding crng_init_cnt=0 if crng_init<1 to extract_crng_user
> and get_random_bytes, getting rid of it like this seems probably okay
> and makes the model simpler. I'll apply this. Thank you.

Ack.  It does mean that we're making a choice that an attacker who is
carrying out a incremental state tracking attack on the CRNG will make
/dev/urandom (and getrandom) to make the crng emit "less secure" in
the period when crng_init is > 0 and < 2.  On the other hand, this
allows us to get to the state of crng_init=2 faster, where as before,
the attacker could delay getting us to the state crng_init=1 forever,
where reads from /dev/urandom would be hence be insecure forever (and
getrandom() would block forever).


						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-03 16:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-03 15:59 Jann Horn
2022-01-03 16:03 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-01-03 16:38   ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2022-01-03 16:42     ` Jason A. Donenfeld

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