From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@google.com>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: re. Spurious wakeup on a newly created kthread
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 09:11:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YrlYDppYKw6HRP1j@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YrjxcR2M6AD6S9dW@google.com>
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 12:01:04AM +0000, Wedson Almeida Filho wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2022 at 07:19:27PM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >
> > Further it is necessary for Peter Zijlstra's rewrite of the kernel
> > freezer. As anything that isn't a special stop state (which
> > TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE is not) will receive a spurious wake up on when
> > thawed out.
>
> Do you know if the current (i.e., prior to the rewrite) kernel freezer
> also sends spurious wakeups when thawing tasks?
Current freezer can thaw at random points in time, even before SMP
bringup if you're unlucky. And yes, I think it can induce 'spurious'
wakeups as well.
But really; like Linus already said upsteam, every wait loop *MUST*
already be able to deal with spurious wakeups. This is why pretty much
every wait primitive we have looks like:
for (;;) {
set_current_state(state);
if (cond)
break;
schedule();
}
__set_current_state(RUNNING);
Which is immune to random wake-ups since it need @cond to make progress.
*NEVER* rely on just the wakeup itself for progress, that's buggy as
heck in lots of ways.
There are a few exceptions, but they all require special wait states and
much carefulness.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-06-27 7:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-06-22 14:08 [PATCH] workqueue: Make create_worker() safe against spurious wakeups Petr Mladek
2022-06-23 7:00 ` Petr Mladek
2022-06-23 7:14 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-25 5:00 ` re. Spurious wakeup on a newly created kthread Tejun Heo
2022-06-25 17:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-25 17:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-25 18:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-25 18:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-25 23:28 ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-25 23:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-25 23:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-25 23:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-26 0:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-27 0:01 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2022-06-27 7:11 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2022-06-27 18:23 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2022-06-27 18:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-26 19:14 ` [PATCH 0/3] kthread: Stop using TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-26 19:15 ` [PATCH 1/3] kthread: Remove the flags argument from kernel_thread Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-26 21:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-26 19:16 ` [PATCH 2/3] kthread: Replace kernel_thread with new_kthread Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-26 19:16 ` [PATCH 3/3] kthread: Stop abusing TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE (INCOMPLETE) Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-26 19:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-26 20:23 ` Tejun Heo
2022-06-26 20:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-27 7:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-06-27 8:11 ` Tejun Heo
2022-06-27 18:04 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2022-06-27 22:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-06-27 22:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-27 22:45 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2022-06-28 0:32 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2022-06-28 7:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-06-30 0:57 ` Wedson Almeida Filho
2022-06-26 22:14 ` kernel test robot
2022-06-26 22:34 ` kernel test robot
2022-06-26 0:21 ` re. Spurious wakeup on a newly created kthread Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-28 14:16 ` Christian Brauner
2022-06-26 0:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-26 1:58 ` Tejun Heo
2022-06-26 2:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-26 6:09 ` Tejun Heo
2022-06-27 12:04 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-28 9:51 ` Petr Mladek
2022-06-28 10:07 ` Tejun Heo
2022-06-27 8:07 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-27 8:21 ` Tejun Heo
2022-06-27 10:18 ` Michal Hocko
2022-06-28 15:08 ` Petr Mladek
2022-08-04 8:57 ` [PATCH] workqueue: Make create_worker() safe against spurious wakeups Lai Jiangshan
2022-08-04 10:19 ` Lai Jiangshan
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