From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Adam Langley <agl@google.com>, Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Should Linux set the new constant-time mode CPU flags?
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 15:09:30 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yw0O6pQ7oKHGmQ0O@zx2c4.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yw0Ah5m/2HDDvCjS@gmail.com>
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 06:08:07PM +0000, Eric Biggers wrote:
> I'd much prefer it being set unconditionally by default as well, as making
> everyone (both kernel and userspace) turn it on and off constantly would be a
> nightmare.
>
> Note that Intel's documentation says that CPUs before Ice Lake behave as if
> DOITM is always set:
>
> "For Intel® Core™ family processors based on microarchitectures before Ice
> Lake and Intel Atom® family processors based on microarchitectures before
> Gracemont that do not enumerate IA32_UARCH_MISC_CTL, developers may assume
> that the instructions listed here operate as if DOITM is enabled."
>
> (It's a bit ambiguous, as it leaves the door open to IA32_UARCH_MISC_CTL being
> retroactively added to old CPUs. But I assume that hasn't actually happened.)
>
> So I think the logical approach is to unconditionally set DOITM by default, to
> fix this CPU bug in Ice Lake and later and just bring things back to the way
> they were in CPUs before Ice Lake. With that as a baseline, we can then discuss
> whether it's useful to provide ways to re-enable this CPU bug / "feature", for
> people who want to get the performance boost (if one actually exists) of data
> dependent timing after carefully assessing the risks.
>
> The other way around, of making everything insecure by default, seems like a
> really bad idea.
Right. It's actually kind of surprising that Intel didn't already do
this by default. Sure, maybe the Intel manual never explicitly
guaranteed constant time, but a heck of a lot of code relies on that
being the case.
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-08-29 19:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-08-25 23:15 Eric Biggers
2022-08-26 7:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-08-26 8:45 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-09-15 17:18 ` Catalin Marinas
2022-08-26 15:40 ` Jeffrey Walton
2022-08-29 16:39 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-08-29 18:08 ` Eric Biggers
2022-08-29 19:09 ` Jason A. Donenfeld [this message]
2022-08-29 19:05 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-08-30 14:25 ` Dave Hansen
2022-09-01 11:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-25 5:06 ` Eric Biggers
2022-09-15 17:52 ` Catalin Marinas
2022-10-26 17:01 ` Ard Biesheuvel
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