From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
Paul McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Subject: RCU vs NOHZ
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 10:39:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YyLksEr05QTNo05Q@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
Hi,
After watching Joel's talk about RCU and idle ticks I was wondering
about why RCU doesn't have NOHZ hooks -- that is regular NOHZ, not the
NOHZ_FULL stuff.
These deep idle states are only feasible during NOHZ idle, and the NOHZ
path is already relatively expensive (which is offset by then mostly
staying idle for a long while).
Specifically my thinking was that when a CPU goes NOHZ it can splice
it's callback list onto a global list (cmpxchg), and then the
jiffy-updater CPU can look at and consume this global list (xchg).
Before you say... but globals suck (they do), NOHZ already has a fair
amount of global state, and as said before, it's offset by the CPU then
staying idle for a fair while. If there is heavy contention on the NOHZ
data, the idle governor is doing a bad job by selecting deep idle states
whilst we're not actually idle for long.
The above would remove the reason for RCU to inhibit NOHZ.
Additionally; when the very last CPU goes idle (I think we know this
somewhere, but I can't reaily remember where) we can insta-advance the
QS machinery and run the callbacks before going (NOHZ) idle.
Is there a reason this couldn't work? To me this seems like a much
simpler solution than the whole rcu-cb thing.
next reply other threads:[~2022-09-15 8:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-15 8:39 Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2022-09-15 15:37 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-15 16:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-15 18:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-15 19:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-15 22:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-16 3:40 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-16 7:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-16 9:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-16 18:11 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-17 13:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-17 13:52 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-17 14:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-17 14:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-21 21:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-23 15:12 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-23 16:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-23 17:47 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-23 18:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-29 11:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 10:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 15:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-29 15:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-29 16:05 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-29 16:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 16:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-29 19:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 19:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-29 16:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 16:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-29 19:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 19:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-30 14:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-23 19:47 Joel Fernandes
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