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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Subject: RCU vs NOHZ
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 10:39:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YyLksEr05QTNo05Q@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)

Hi,

After watching Joel's talk about RCU and idle ticks I was wondering
about why RCU doesn't have NOHZ hooks -- that is regular NOHZ, not the
NOHZ_FULL stuff.

These deep idle states are only feasible during NOHZ idle, and the NOHZ
path is already relatively expensive (which is offset by then mostly
staying idle for a long while).

Specifically my thinking was that when a CPU goes NOHZ it can splice
it's callback list onto a global list (cmpxchg), and then the
jiffy-updater CPU can look at and consume this global list (xchg).

Before you say... but globals suck (they do), NOHZ already has a fair
amount of global state, and as said before, it's offset by the CPU then
staying idle for a fair while. If there is heavy contention on the NOHZ
data, the idle governor is doing a bad job by selecting deep idle states
whilst we're not actually idle for long.

The above would remove the reason for RCU to inhibit NOHZ.


Additionally; when the very last CPU goes idle (I think we know this
somewhere, but I can't reaily remember where) we can insta-advance the
QS machinery and run the callbacks before going (NOHZ) idle.


Is there a reason this couldn't work? To me this seems like a much
simpler solution than the whole rcu-cb thing.

             reply	other threads:[~2022-09-15  8:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-15  8:39 Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2022-09-15 15:37 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-15 16:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-15 18:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-15 19:14     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-15 22:30       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-16  3:40         ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-16  7:58         ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-16  9:20           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-16 18:11             ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-17 13:35               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-17 13:52                 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-17 14:28                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-17 14:25             ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-21 21:36               ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-23 15:12                 ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-23 16:01                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-23 17:47                     ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-23 18:15                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-29 11:06                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 10:55               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 15:20                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-29 15:46                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-29 16:05                     ` Joel Fernandes
2022-09-29 16:23                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 16:42                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-29 19:01                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 19:52                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-29 16:18                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 16:36                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-29 19:08                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-09-29 19:56                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-30 14:48                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-09-23 19:47 Joel Fernandes

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