From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
Benjamin Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>,
Pavel Tikhomirov <ptikhomirov@virtuozzo.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [patch V2 01/17] posix-timers: Initialise timer before adding it to the hash table
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2025 09:47:10 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z8lhDhfmjcla+Dzq@lothringen> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875xkm60m6.ffs@tglx>
On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 09:10:09AM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 05 2025 at 18:25, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > Le Sun, Mar 02, 2025 at 08:36:44PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner a écrit :
> > Looking at this more or less lockless whole thing again, is the
> > ordering between creation and subsequent operations sufficiently guaranteed?
> >
> > T0 T1
> > --------- -----------
> > do_timer_create()
> > posix_timer_add()
> > spin_lock(hash_lock)
> > // A
> > timer->it_id = ...
> > spin_unlock(hash_lock)
> > // Initialize timer fields
> > // B
> > new_timer->.... = ....
> > common_timer_create()
> > // C
> > hrtimer_init()
> > spin_lock(current->sighand)
> > // D
> > WRITE_ONCE(new_timer->it_signal, current->signal)
> > spin_unlock(current->sighand)
> > do_timer_settime()
> > lock_timer()
> > // observes A && D
> > posix_timer_by_id()
> > spin_lock_irqsave(&timr->it_lock)
> > // recheck ok
> > if (timr->it_signal == current->signal)
> > return timr
> > common_timer_get()
> > // fiddle with timer fields
> > // but doesn't observe B
> > // for example doesn't observe SIGEV_NONE
> > sig_none = timr->it_sigev_notify == SIGEV_NONE;
> > ...
> > // doesn't observe C
> > // hrtimer_init() isn't visible yet
> > // It might mess up after the hrtimer_start()
> > hrtimer_start()
>
> Pretty far fetched and I did not think it fully through whether it can
> really happen. But that's trivial enough to solve without this
> hlist_hashed() indirection:
>
> + spin_lock(new_timer->lock);
> spin_lock(current->sighand);
> WRITE_ONCE(new_timer->it_signal, current->signal);
> spin_unlock(current->sighand);
> + spin_unlock(new_timer->lock);
>
> Simply because the release of timer::lock guarantees that the memory
> operations before the release have been completed before the release
> completes.
>
> Consequently the other CPU must observe a consistent set A - D after it
> acquired the lock.
>
> No?
Right that's why I added that in my proposed fix and it's the really important
part.
As for the rest, it's just a matter of taste. Checking
timer::it_signal && timer::list instead of flipping a bit in a pointer and
rely on magic comparison seemed to me clearer and easier to follow but that's
just a proposal, I won't mind either way.
Thanks.
>
> Thanks,
>
> tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-06 8:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-02 19:36 [patch V2 00/17] posix-timers: Rework the global hash table and provide a sane mechanism for CRIU Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-02 19:36 ` [patch V2 01/17] posix-timers: Initialise timer before adding it to the hash table Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-05 17:25 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-03-06 8:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-06 8:47 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2025-03-07 13:46 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-03-02 19:36 ` [patch V2 02/17] posix-timers: Add cond_resched() to posix_timer_add() search loop Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-05 20:54 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-03-02 19:36 ` [patch V2 03/17] posix-timers: Cleanup includes Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-05 20:57 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-03-02 19:36 ` [patch V2 04/17] posix-timers: Remove a few paranoid warnings Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-05 22:11 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-03-02 19:36 ` [patch V2 05/17] posix-timers: Remove SLAB_PANIC from kmem cache Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-07 14:05 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-03-02 19:36 ` [patch V2 06/17] posix-timers: Use guards in a few places Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-07 14:16 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-03-02 19:36 ` [patch V2 07/17] posix-timers: Simplify lock/unlock_timer() Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-07 22:16 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-03-02 19:36 ` [patch V2 08/17] posix-timers: Rework timer removal Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-04 10:10 ` Pavel Tikhomirov
2025-03-04 10:20 ` Pavel Tikhomirov
2025-03-04 14:06 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-07 23:03 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-03-08 8:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-08 22:48 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-03-09 8:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-02 19:36 ` [patch V2 09/17] posix-timers: Make lock_timer() use guard() Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-04 14:08 ` [patch V2a " Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-02 19:36 ` [patch V2 10/17] posix-timers: Make signal_struct::next_posix_timer_id an atomic_t Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-03 20:21 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2025-03-03 21:24 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-04 17:56 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2025-03-04 20:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-04 22:16 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2025-03-05 7:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-05 8:28 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2025-03-02 19:37 ` [patch V2 11/17] posix-timers: Improve hash table performance Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-02 19:37 ` [patch V2 12/17] posix-timers: Switch to jhash32() Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-02 19:37 ` [patch V2 13/17] posix-timers: Avoid false cacheline sharing Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-02 19:37 ` [patch V2 14/17] posix-timers: Make per process list RCU safe Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-02 19:37 ` [patch V2 15/17] posix-timers: Dont iterate /proc/$PID/timers with sighand::siglock held Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-02 19:37 ` [patch V2 16/17] posix-timers: Provide a mechanism to allocate a given timer ID Thomas Gleixner
2025-03-02 19:37 ` [patch V2 17/17] selftests/timers/posix-timers: Add a test for exact allocation mode Thomas Gleixner
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