From: "Gautham R. Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>
To: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: Multi-LLC select_idle_sibling()
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 14:36:37 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZHmxHWbkQWvcq+bZ@BLR-5CG11610CF.amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a78b5df0-2374-29bf-f948-3054f1e7e46c@amd.com>
Hello Peter,
On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 10:47:07AM +0530, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> Hello Peter,
>
> On 6/1/2023 8:21 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 02:00:01PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 01:56:43PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 01:13:26PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> This DeathStarBench thing seems to suggest that scanning up to 4 CCDs
> >>>> isn't too much of a bother; so perhaps something like so?
> >>>>
> >>>> (on top of tip/sched/core from just a few hours ago, as I had to 'fix'
> >>>> this patch and force pushed the thing)
> >>>>
> >>>> And yeah, random hacks and heuristics here :/ Does there happen to be
> >>>> additional topology that could aid us here? Does the CCD fabric itself
> >>>> have a distance metric we can use?
> >>>
> >>> https://www.anandtech.com/show/16529/amd-epyc-milan-review/4
> >>>
> >>> Specifically:
> >>>
> >>> https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16529/Bounce-7763.png
> >>>
> >>> That seems to suggest there are some very minor distance effects in the
> >>> CCD fabric. I didn't read the article too closely, but you'll note that
> >>> the first 4 CCDs have inter-CCD latency < 100 while the rest has > 100.
> >>>
> >>> Could you also test on a Zen2 Epyc, does that require nr=8 instead of 4?
> >>> Should we perhaps write it like: 32 / llc_size ?
> >>>
> >>> The Zen2 picture:
> >>>
> >>> https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16315/Bounce-7742.png
> >>>
> >>> Shows a more pronounced CCD fabric topology, you can really see the 2
> >>> CCX inside the CCD but also there's two ligher green squares around the
> >>> CCDs themselves.
> >>
> >> I can't seem to find pretty pictures for Zen4 Epyc; what does that want?
> >> That's even bigger at 96/8=12 LLCs afaict.
> >
> > Going by random pictures on the interweb again, it looks like this Zen4
> > thing wants either 2 groups of 6 each, or 4 groups of 3.
>
Yes, this is what the topology looks like
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| |
| ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- |
| |(0-7) | |(8-15) | |(16-23) | |(48-55) | |(56-63) | |(64-71) | |
| | LLC0 | | LLC1 | | LLC2 | | LLC6 | | LLC7 | | LLC8 | |
| |(96-103) | |(104-111)| |(112-119)| |(144-151)| |(152-159)| |(160-167)| |
| ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- |
| |
| |
| ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- |
| |(24-31) | |(32-39) | |(40-47) | |(72-79) | |(80-87) | |(88-95) | |
| | LLC3 | | LLC4 | | LLC5 | | LLC9 | | LLC10 | | LLC11 | |
| |(120-127)| |(128-135)| |(136-143)| |(168-175)| |(176-183)| |(184-191)| |
| ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- |
| |
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> I would think it is the latter since NPS4 does that but let me go verify.
2 groups of 6 each is the vertical split which is NPS2.
4 groups of 3 each is the vertical and horizontal split, which is
NPS4.
In both these cases, currently the domain hierarchy
SMT --> MC --> NODE --> NUMA
where the NODE will be the parent of MC and be the 2nd level wakeup domain.
If we define CLS to be the group with 3 LLCs, which becomes the parent
of the MC domain, then, the hierarchy would be
NPS1 : SMT --> MC --> CLS --> DIE
NPS2 : SMT --> MC --> CLS --> NODE --> NUMA
NPS4 : SMT --> MC --> CLS --> NUMA
NPS2 will have 5 domains within a single socket. Oh well!
--
Thanks and Regards
gautham.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-06-02 9:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-05-31 12:04 tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-01 3:41 ` Abel Wu
2023-06-01 8:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-01 9:33 ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-06-01 11:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-01 11:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-01 12:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-01 14:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-01 15:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-02 5:13 ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-06-02 6:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-02 9:19 ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-06-07 18:32 ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-06-13 8:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-13 10:30 ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-06-14 8:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-14 14:58 ` Chen Yu
2023-06-14 15:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-21 7:16 ` Chen Yu
2023-06-16 6:34 ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-07-05 11:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-08 13:17 ` Chen Yu
2023-07-12 17:19 ` Chen Yu
2023-07-13 3:43 ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-07-17 1:09 ` Chen Yu
2023-06-02 7:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-01 14:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-02 5:17 ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-06-02 9:06 ` Gautham R. Shenoy [this message]
2023-06-02 11:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-01 16:44 ` Chen Yu
2023-06-02 3:12 ` K Prateek Nayak
[not found] ` <CGME20230605152531eucas1p2a10401ec2180696cc9a5f2e94a67adca@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2023-06-05 15:25 ` Marek Szyprowski
2023-06-05 17:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-05 19:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-05 22:20 ` Marek Szyprowski
2023-06-06 7:58 ` Chen Yu
2023-06-01 8:43 tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
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