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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	'Demi Marie Obenour' <demi@invisiblethingslab.com>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	Oleksandr Tyshchenko <oleksandr_tyshchenko@epam.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/4] Make sscanf() stricter
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:34:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZJGq0UTHPdEuIMal@alley> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZIr0z6u17xogE5+n@smile.fi.intel.com>

On Thu 2023-06-15 14:23:59, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 08:06:46AM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> > From: Demi Marie Obenour
> > > Sent: 14 June 2023 21:09
> 
> ...
> 
> > > > What sort of formats and data are being used?
> > > 
> > > Base-10 or base-16 integers, with whitespace never being valid.
> > 
> > In which case sscanf() really isn't what you are looking for.
> > 
> > > > The "%s" format terminates on whitespace.
> > > > Even stroul() (and friends) will skip leading whitespace.
> > > 
> > > Yes, which is a reason that strto*l() are just broken IMO.
> >
> > They are not 'broken', that is what is useful most of the time.
> > The usual problem is that "020" is treated as octal.

I do not know how many users depend on this behavior. But I believe
that there are such users. And breaking compatibility with userspace
implementation would make more harm then good in this case.

> > > I’m trying to replace their uses in Xen with custom parsing code.
> > 
> > Then write a custom parser :-)

Honestly, I dislike any sscanf() modification which have been suggested
so far:

  + %!d is not acceptable because it produces compiler errors

  + %d! is not acceptable because "use 64!" is a realistic string.
    We could not be sure that "<number>!" will never be parsed
    in kernel.

  + %d%[!] produces compiler error either. It is hard to parse by eyes.
    Also the meaning of such a format would be far from obvious.

  + %pj or another %p modifiers would be hard to understand either.

    Yes, we have %pe but I think that only few people really use it.
    And it is kind of self-explanatory because it is typically
    used together with ERR_PTR() and with variables called
    "err" or "ret".


> Hmm... Usually we are against zillion implementations of the same with zillion
> bugs hidden (each buggy implementation with its own bugs).

I would really like to see the code depending on it. The cover letter
suggests that there already is a patch with such a custom parser.
I am sorry if it has already been mentioned. There were so many threads.

Sure, we do not want two full featured sscanf() implementations. But a
wrapper checking for leading whitespace and using kstrto<foo>
family does not sound too complex.

There should always be a good reason to introduce an incompatibility
between the kernel and the userspace implementation of a commonly
used API.

Best Regards,
Petr

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-06-20 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-12 11:59 Alexey Dobriyan
2023-06-12 20:25 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2023-06-12 21:00   ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-06-12 21:23     ` Demi Marie Obenour
2023-06-12 22:16       ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-06-13 13:02       ` David Laight
2023-06-13 15:35         ` Demi Marie Obenour
2023-06-14  8:23           ` David Laight
2023-06-14 20:08             ` Demi Marie Obenour
2023-06-15  8:06               ` David Laight
2023-06-15 11:23                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-06-15 11:38                   ` David Laight
2023-06-20 13:34                   ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2023-06-20 13:52                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-06-20 13:54                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-06-20 14:57                       ` Petr Mladek
2023-06-20 15:05                         ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-06-21  0:56                     ` Demi Marie Obenour
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-06-10 20:40 Demi Marie Obenour
2023-06-12 15:34 ` Andy Shevchenko

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