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From: Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	"Dietmar Eggemann" <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Abel Wu <wuyun.abel@bytedance.com>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>, Chen Yu <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>,
	Yicong Yang <yangyicong@hisilicon.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/4] sched/fair: Calculate the scan depth for idle balance based on system utilization
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 22:43:50 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZJWvpi5VZtxnyDg8@chenyu5-mobl2.ccr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZJWtM1rgC52twqPS@chenyu5-mobl2.ccr.corp.intel.com>

On 2023-06-23 at 22:33:23 +0800, Chen Yu wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> On 2023-06-21 at 13:17:21 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 12:18:57AM +0800, Chen Yu wrote:
> > > When CPU is about to enter idle, it invokes newidle_balance() to pull
> > > some tasks from other runqueues. Although there is per domain
> > > max_newidle_lb_cost to throttle the newidle_balance(), it would be
> > > good to further limit the scan based on overall system utilization.
> > > The reason is that there is no limitation for newidle_balance() to
> > > launch this balance simultaneously on multiple CPUs. Since each
> > > newidle_balance() has to traverse all the CPUs to calculate the
> > > statistics one by one, this total time cost on newidle_balance()
> > > could be O(n^2). This is not good for performance or power saving.
> > 
> > Another possible solution is to keep struct sg_lb_stats in
> > sd->child->shared (below the NUMA domains) and put a lock around it.
> > 
> > Then have update_sd_lb_stats() do something like:
> > 
> > 	struct sg_lb_stats *sgs = &sds->sgs;
> > 
> > 	if (raw_spin_trylock(&sds->sg_lock)) {
> > 		struct sg_lb_stats tmp;
> > 
> > 		... collect tmp
> > 
> > 		sds->sgs = tmp;
> > 		raw_spin_unlock(&sds->sg_lock);
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	... use sgs
> > 
> > Then you know you've always got a 'recent' copy but avoid the concurrent
> > updates.
> Thanks for taking a look and gave the suggestions! Yes, this is a good idea, by
> doing this we can further limit the number of CPU to do update in parallel, and
> allow the newidle CPU to reuse the data for idle load balance from others.
> This lock only allow 1 CPU in that domain to iterate the whole group, and the
> bottleneck might reply on how fast the CPU who grabs the lock can finish
> collecting the tmp sgs data. For MC domain, it would not take too much time, and for
> higher domains between MC and NUMA domain, it depends on how many CPUs there are in that
> domain.
I just realized that it's a trylock, so it should not block other CPUs who launch
the idle balance, but just to let 1 CPUs update the 'snapshot' at one time.
I'll do some tests.

thanks,
Chenyu
> I'll create one prototype based on your suggestion and measure the test data.
> 
> thanks,
> Chenyu

  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-23 14:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-12 16:17 [RFC PATCH 0/4] Limit the scan depth to find the busiest sched group during newidle balance Chen Yu
2023-06-12 16:18 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] sched/fair: Extract the function to get the sd_llc_shared Chen Yu
2023-06-12 16:18 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] sched/topology: Introduce nr_groups in sched_domain to indicate the number of groups Chen Yu
2023-06-12 16:18 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] sched/fair: Calculate the scan depth for idle balance based on system utilization Chen Yu
2023-06-15  6:01   ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2023-06-16  6:17     ` Chen Yu
2023-06-21  7:29     ` Chen Yu
2023-06-22  6:01       ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2023-07-10 11:06       ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-07-10 15:37         ` Chen Yu
2023-07-11  2:52           ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-06-21 11:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-21 11:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-23 14:33     ` Chen Yu
2023-06-23 14:43       ` Chen Yu [this message]
2023-06-12 16:19 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] sched/fair: Throttle the busiest group scanning in idle load balance Chen Yu
2023-06-15  4:22 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Limit the scan depth to find the busiest sched group during newidle balance Gautham R. Shenoy

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