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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/35] Fast kernel headers: reduce header dependencies
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:56:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZcojpuqGNToctwNi@FVFF77S0Q05N.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240211123000.3359365-1-max.kellermann@ionos.com>

Hi Max,

On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 01:29:25PM +0100, Max Kellermann wrote:
> This patch set aims to reduce the dependencies between headers, in
> order to have cleaner code and speed up the build.  It continues
> previous efforts by other developers.

While the intent of the series is admirable, as it currently stands it's very
painful to review:

* Patch 1 is *gigantic*. 3MiB+ of plain text cannot reasonable be reviewed by a
  human. This needs to be split into smaller patches, and that needs a more
  thorough commit message (e.g. *how* you determined specific headers were
  necessary).

  This could probably be a series on its own, or could be split up along more
  logical lines (e.g. have a series cleaning up a *particular* case of indirect
  includes).

* There have been three versions of the series in two days. We usually expect
  several says (e.g. a week) between versions, and posting multiple versions so
  quickly just spams reviewers' inboxes and doesn't give people sufficient time
  to provide any meaningful review.

> As a preparation, the first patch adds "#include" directives to source
> files that were missing previously, but due to indirect includes, this
> was never noticed.  After the cleanup, many missing directives would
> result in a compiler failure.
> 
> The second patch removes superfluous "#include" directives, some of
> which may be a leftover from refactoring patches.
> 
> The third patch replaces existing "#include" directives with narrower
> ones, e.g. use "spinlock_types.h" instead of "spinlock.h".  This
> continues the work others have done over the years.
> 
> The remaining patches add new "XXX_types.h" headers with lighter
> dependencies.  They have only basic struct/enum/const/macro
> definitions and maybe a few trivial inline functions, but no "extern"
> functions and no complex header dependencies.
> 
> Just like the other attempts to reduce header dependencies in the
> past, this is just the beginning.  There are still too many
> dependencies, and the speedup gained by this large patch set is not
> yet impressive.
> 
> Prior to this patch set:
> 
>  real	0m34.677s
>  user	23m13.045s
>  sys	2m26.007s
> 
> With this patch set:
> 
>  real	0m34.464s
>  user	22m19.073s
>  sys	2m15.246s
> 
> (Building the directories kernel,lib,mm on ARM64 "allyesconfig".)
> 
> I have tested this patch set with:
> 
> - ARCH=arm allyesconfig
> - ARCH=arm defconfig
> - ARCH=arm64 allyesconfig
> - ARCH=arm64 defconfig
> - ARCH=mips defconfig
> - ARCH=riscv defconfig
> - ARCH=x86_64 allyesconfig
> - ARCH=xtensa defconfig
> 
> Pretty sure, other architectures may fail to build, but before I test
> all of them, I'd like to get some feedback on whether my approach
> would be accepted.
> 
> For more gains, huge headers like "linux/mm.h", "linux/fs.h" and
> "linux/sched.h" would need to be optimized.  Nearly everybody includes
> them, and they include nearly everything.

IIUC the same is true of kernel.h.

How have you analyzed this? Are you using any specific tooling, or has this all
been manual analysis?

Mark.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-02-12 13:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-11 12:29 Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 01/35] include: add missing includes Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 02/35] include: remove unnecessary #include directives Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 16:54   ` kernel test robot
2024-02-11 18:19   ` kernel test robot
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 03/35] include: reduce header dependencies by using "*_types.h" Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 04/35] workqueue.h: move struct delayed_work to workqueue_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 05/35] kref.h: move declarations to kref_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 06/35] kobject.h: move declarations to kobject_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 07/35] sysfs.h: move declarations to sysfs_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 08/35] maple_tree.h: move declarations to maple_tree_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 09/35] rwsem.h: move declarations to rwsem_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 10/35] uprobes.h: move declarations to uprobes_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 11/35] percpu_counter.h: move declarations to percpu_counter_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 12/35] bvec.h: move declarations to bvec_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 13/35] wait.h: move declarations to wait_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 14/35] swait.h: move declarations to swait_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 15/35] completion.h: move declarations to completion_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 16/35] device.h: move declarations to device_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 17/35] xarray.h: move declarations to xarray_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 18/35] blkdev.h: move blk_op_is_passthrough() to blk_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 19/35] bio.h: move bio_has_data() and bio_no_advance_iter() " Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 20/35] bio.h: move declarations to bio_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 21/35] percpu-refcount.h: move declarations to percpu-refcount_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 22/35] blkdev.h: move declarations to blkdev_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 23/35] sbitmap.h: move declarations to sbitmap_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 24/35] list_lru.h: move declarations to list_lru_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 25/35] list_bl.h: move declarations to list_bl_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 26/35] percpu-rwsem.h: move declarations to percpu-rwsem_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 27/35] quota.h: move declarations to quota_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 28/35] radix-tree.h: move declarations to radix-tree_types.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 29/35] linux/random.h: reduce dependencies on linux/kernel.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 30/35] linux/kernel.h: move might_sleep(), ... to sched/debug_atomic_sleep.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 31/35] linux/kernel.h: move READ and WRITE to direction.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 32/35] linux/kernel.h: move VERIFY_OCTAL_PERMISSIONS() to octal_permissions.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 33/35] linux/kernel.h: move upper/lower_*_bits macros to wordpart.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 34/35] linux/kernel.h: move PTR_IF() to ptr_util.h Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 12:30 ` [PATCH v3 35/35] include: remove lots of unnecessary <linux/kernel.h> includes Max Kellermann
2024-02-11 17:16   ` kernel test robot
2024-02-12 13:56 ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2024-02-12 14:41   ` [PATCH v3 00/35] Fast kernel headers: reduce header dependencies Max Kellermann

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